As I said, Arnold was great. And yeah, the explanation for him being old was a good idea.
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As I said, Arnold was great. And yeah, the explanation for him being old was a good idea.
I'm in the camp that thinks it was better than 3 and Salvation.
This is the perfect example of a movie where if you go into it expecting not much at all, you may find yourself enjoying it. Going into the movie I fully expected it to blow but ended up being pleasantly surprised.
Looking at it the movie in its simplest form, my biggest complain was the humor. It felt so misplaced and cringeworthy.
I thought the movie was decent, at least in terms of action and seeing Arnold own the role again.
His T-800 seemed a bit too emotional in parts of T3 but here he's back to his T2 form and he seemed like he was in good physical shape. Emelia Clark also pulled off the Sarah Conner role well despite her extremely youthful features and petite build working against her and I agree with Dolemite about Jai Courtney's physicality being a mismatch for the role. I wasn't particularly taken with Jason Clarke's John Connor either but I didn't think Courtney was terrible by any means, there just wasn't that much to work with since Pops, Sarah, and John were given the bulk of the story and action scenes. Granted, Kyle had a few good character moments such as when he was competitively loading the bullets in the gun with Pops and learning about being John's dad but sadly the character got little room to breathe and was relegated to a supporting role.
In getting in all the fan service at the beginning the movie they had to rush through its story and characters which was a shame. They should have just cut out Kyle and explored Pops and Sarah's altered back story from the beginning leading up to Kyle arriving. Also as much as I actually liked J.K. Simmons' character the director or editor should have cut him out altogether because he didn't really fulfill any type of character arc nor was he of great use to Sarah and Kyle. When it came to John Conner, it seemed like turning him into a cyborg was motivated more by shock value than adding a new dimension to the character. I personally would have much preferred for him to fight against Skynet's programming to make him less of an outright villain and more of a tragic yet noble figure.
There were a few other issues such as dodgy SFX laden scenes (2017 helicopters maneuvering like jets), a flimsy plot in which nobody seemed to have any issue with Genisys taking all their shit and main framing it simply for convenience sake, and the Windows phone product placement being hilariously blatant.
Ultimately cramming 3 movies into one just isn't going to yield good results in the characterization department even with a cast this small so while the fan service was cool it came at a cost. Oddly enough despite the brainlessness of the movie I still managed to enjoy it on a base level. Maybe it's because I had lower expectations for it or I see a bit more potential in the franchise to do more with the characters in a sequel even though it had pretty much a "happy ending".
Like any other movie I may see the movie a few more times and enjoy it more or dislike it more but so far I'd give it a 6.5/10.
At the theater. About to do this.
Maaaan I wouldn't fuck this movie with your dick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fe 26
How was it?
Its ok. Not as good as the first two. Dolemite has already mentioned all the dumb things.
The human relationships felt a little flat if not like something you'd see off of Walking Dead. I just didn't care and they weren't shot or written well.
The robots were good. There was some good fighting.
Its kind of like a Godzilla movie of Terminator films. A handful of good fights, and I wouldn't watch it for the plot, writing, or characters.
So, what are the theories on pops?
I figure he is skynet. Skynet sent back a blank version of itself so it would live on regardless of which side won, breaking the cycle that always kills it.
That would be an interesting development as long as the sequel (IF it happens) doesn't repeat the same beats this movie did with John Conner. Skynet seemed to have something else up its sleeve when it was talking to Kyle and Sarah so maybe Pops is an unknowing carrier of it's program in case the stupid Genisys thing fell through.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fe 26
BTW after watching T3 again I have to say that it hasn't held up for me since first watching it. Arnold's T-800 lacked the great learning arc of T2 and he had a lot of hammy lines that tried too hard to be funny. T3 was pretty much the Alien 3 of the Terminator movies in that it ended on such a downer with the "bad ending". Granted, it had it's good points like the action sequences and Nick Stahl's John Conner who was probably the best character of the movie but it felt rather dour in comparison to the first two.
What the fuck happened to 'destroy every chip'? Why doesn't "Pops" melt down at the end of this?
That's a good question.
I suppose it could be due to Sarah's emotional attachment to him that he was kept around but yeah I'm surprised pops didn't even bring up the issue of his continued existence being potentially problematic.
probablyQuote:
Originally Posted by Will
He'll know, and she'll know, and the next movie will be 2 hours of emotional conflict on destroying him.
I liked everything except for the happy ending. Really detracted from the earlier emotional scene.
Also if Terminator: Granpa knew that all the liquid metal needed was a control chip that he has in his brain, why wouldn't he upgrade before the fight? They look at the puddle and hint at it but he doesn't even try?
Probably a small gripe after so many iffy things but I rolled just fine with most of them.
Daenerys looked like a tiny hispanic chick with a booty in this. I approve.
Heh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fe 26
There probably wasn't any guarantee it would work, he's a weird hodgepodge closer to the TX now which is interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzo
its such a waste, because I think we all wanted to see upgraded pops beat wholesale ass on the newest model.
Probably with the next movie if this one did well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fe 26
Going back to Skynet, Superherohype has an interesting article on the Matt Smith version:
I didn't think they'd go so deep into the "multiverse" concept but at least that gives the franchise a bit more to work with than the usual Judgement day path.Quote:
With Terminator Genisys now in theaters, it’s a safe bet that die hard fans are trying to put together the clues and solve some of franchise’s new mysteries. As we heard the cast reveal in yesterday’s video, there’s a lot of unanswered questions that will be explained should Paramount Pictures and Skydance Productions elect to move ahead with a sequel. Today, in an interview with CraveOnline, Genisys scribes Laeta Kalogridis and Patrick Lussier fill in a couple interesting details about Matt Smith’s character, the manifestation of Skynet itself. Although he doesn’t have a lot of screen time in the new film, he’s clearly a major player in what’s to come.
“You see in the beginning,” says Kalogridis. “[Matt Smith] grabs John. He’s not from this timeline. He’s from an alternate universe, in the multiverse. Another of the many universes that exist. That Skynet is not from that timeline… This Skynet has been to this universe, and this universe, and this universe. That’s why he says, ‘I came a very long way to stop you.’ He’s not from here. So he’s watched it. He’s watched it happen a bunch of different times, and each time he’s seen it there is a different result but the same result.”
Kologridis goes on to say that this iteration of Skynet is very specifically not the Skynet from The Terminator and Terminator 2: Judgement Day, as this one has, to some degree, the ability to traverse the Terminator multiverse, witnessing repeated fates involving Sarah and John Connor taking on the machines. How he achieved that reality-hopping ability is, for now, anyone’s guess. Pushing the theory to the extreme, the Matt Smith Skynet could even have witnessed the events of the television series “Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles,” any of the comic book tie-ins from over the years or even, for the matter, Wayne’s World.
so many doctor who jokes
Stop making these movies.
Stop going to them?
I do the same thing with the Superhero shit. Bitch that they're awful, but give them my money anyway. Of course, the hope is that they won't be pandering, incomprehensible babby fetish movies. But they always are.
This is on Hulu so I just watched it. Aside from some unfunny funny bits, I liked it. The front end is definitely the strongest part. I liked all the callbacks to T1.
I got the Steelbook of this. I liked parts, the end song Fighting Shadows is great. The chick is hot, but without James Cameron directing it is just not the same.
There was nothing redeemable about this movie.
One of you posted good things about this movie and almost tricked me into watching it. Almost.
It's really not that bad, especially when half of the movies you compare it to include 3 and salvation.
I've never seen Salvation! I don't even care for Terminator 2 in retrospect!
I watched T1 again not that long ago.
So good.
T2 is ok in a 90s action movie kind of wayQuote:
Originally Posted by Josh
But Aliens did the Action follow up to a Horror movie, better
Theatrical version of T2 is better than extended. The movie really didn't need more talky parts.
I like 3, I don't get the hate for that movie. Terminatrix was hot, it is depressing as heck and that trailer (whatever that long truck thing) scene was fantastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Some Stupid Japanese Name
I can't remember one thing about Salvation.
I like 3 too. But aside from the opening, which was frickin' great, they injected too much cheesy comedy into it. I'd say the same thing about Genisys. Great opening, too much cheesiness.
But if I were flipping through the channels and either were on, I'd stop and watch.
Salvation made me want one of these. Can't justify it though.
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Wat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
Terminator has a giant block of goat cheese in the middle too!
I watched Terminator, probably 100 times while working on that Deckards record. T2 just seems kinda silly now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Error
Sarah is real deal badass as fuck though, so there's that.
Well T1 is a better film. 2 is like short circuit if Johnny was a stoic Austrian dick.
You also didn't know how T1 was going to end. No one had done anything like that before. T2, eh, you kind of knew.
Yeah, I'm going to say that's not trueQuote:
Originally Posted by Fe 26
Alright, name the movie that termination was a copy of.
What exactly do you think is original? The twist ending?
You know James Cameron has openly admitted it was inspired by a couple of Outer Limits episodes?
Find em. I want to see the outer limits episodes just like T1
Go watch the ep Soldier. It's on Hulu and Cameron directly ripped it off.
If you really think about the storyline of T1, it's kind of silly as well. Reese is the father of John, because he was sent back to the past to stop the terminator and lay the pipe on Sarah. There would have to be the 1st timeline, where Skynet happened, and Sarah Conner did not meet Reese.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
Terminator 2, 3, and 7Quote:
Originally Posted by Fe 26
There can't ever be a first time though. That's the problem with time travel paradoxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
Well, there probably is a timeline like that. Skynet is made years later than normal and everyone dies. Or John had a different dad.
I guess it really depends on if we are talking about time like a river that you can change your position in, or if we are talking about it like multiple universes and when you change something you are really just changing which universe you are in and not time.
I think Terminator uses the river, but then it changes to the multiverse in t2, (or it might have been 3, I kinda forget)
For John to exist he had to have sent Kyle back to lay pipe, which means there can't a first time. It's always happened, and it always will happen. Sarah killed the Terminator at Cyberdyne, which gave them the technology to create the Terminator that came back in time to die at Cyberdyne. I'm not going to pretend that it's logical, but thems the rules.
Well if it is multi universes, there is a universe where John sends him back for a reason other than fucking his mother, and he fucks his mother and they have the John we know, and he then sends Kyle back because he knows he has to to be born (though not really, because in the multi universe time travel you can't undo your own timeline by changing the past, you just change it for the people you send back as they switch to another past).
You know that would be an interesting thing to make a movie out of. Because the time model a lot of movies use would translate into the future people that send the people back always thinking they failed because they couldn't change their own timeline, while the time traveler usually thought they succeeded.
(Also, I'm saying that John probably has no idea how time travel works. But skynet probably does since it invented it or finished it. It makes you wonder why it bothers if it's success can't be undone. Maybe it just really hates John and his mom)
Bootstrap Paradox
It's not multi universe though. They change the way they deal with it later, but in the first one its single timeline.
http://www.jamescamerononline.com/Ellison.htmQuote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
bbobb is so full of shit
I know I'm in the minority, but I enjoy all of the flicks. The first two are god tier, mind you.
I think it is only illogical if time is seen to move forwards to exist, rather than all coming into being simultaneously (in a time beyond time sorta simultaneous). A loop that creates itself is entirely possible if time is viewed like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
The bad news? -- There's going to be at least one more Terminator movie.
The good news -- James Cameron is going oversee it, as the rights are going back to him.
http://deadline.com/2017/01/terminat...ce-1201890848/
Cameron said Genisys was great, so I have zero faith in him these days. Someone needs to invent a real time displacement device and transport 1980's/90's Cameron to 2017 ASAP.
There's no real Terminator movies aside from T1 & T2. Please just let this series die.
He should just do a film adaptation of Frank Miller's Robocop vs Terminator comic.
That comic was awful.
The game was pretty cool though.
Blood splats!
I like T3, but I know I am in the minority.
Robocop in general is awful. The concept sounds so great but then you realize how pompous the role of cop is.Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
It's like if Batman decided to be a bellhop. Sure he'd so cool shit and make mad tips but this isn't what I want to see these powers used for after the initial novelty wears off.
The original Robocop was a fantastic satire
Shakespearean tragedy imo.
Robocop is a great movie, but not necessarily a great franchise.
Agreed.
I didn't entirely believe him when he said that. Either someone paid him or asked him for a favor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
He probably saw that the rights were going to be available sooner or later and why help kill a franchise when you can bs a little and maybe scoop up the rights to a franchise that needs work but could be revived with his golden touch?
He's big buddies with Arnold, he's not going to throw him under a bus and potentially reveal his metal endoskeleton.
Yeah, why would he sour Arnold on the franchise if he knows he needs his help later?
So Cameron's new terminator flick will be a direct sequel to T2, the other movies were in an alternate timeline. This starts to explain how Linda Hamilton can return after being declared dead in part 3.
http://screenrant.com/terminator-6-t...nt-day-sequel/
Nope.
No one loves Terminator 1 & 2 more than me, but please, please stop raping the corpse of this series. Let it die.
Sarah Connor Chronicles is better than all the movies after 2. I'm not sure how that happened, but it happened.
I'll always be bummed that it got cancelled right when it started getting really good.
Agreed. I felt the same way about the Blade TV series.Quote:
Originally Posted by GohanX
Agree. Really liked it.Quote:
Originally Posted by GohanX
Really don't like a "T2 sequel" starring T2 people. Time to let Arnie & Co. go.
Better than giving it to jj Abrams
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You guys can thank all the comic book movies for this.
"what, comic book fans put up with you doing whatever the fuck you want and retconing everything?"
"oh, they fucking love it. They will buy the singles, the binded full editions and multiple covers of all the same product too"
*Hollywood movie sleaze producer starts to froth at the mouth
They did that with Salvation. It sucked.Quote:
Originally Posted by haohmaru
The answer is no more Terminator.
It's the only answer.
No fate.
None of you better pay for it after talking this shit.
Didn't pay for Genesys
I still would like a refund for my time.
YOU CAN NEVER GET IT BAAAAAAACK
unless i can travel back in time
Get back to the refund!
Yeah, I went there.
I'll watch this, and i haven't seen a terminator since t3. Which sucked.
They get worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anthony
They really do.
I like T3, no it isn't T1 or 2 but it was enjoyable, unlike everything that follows.
The sequels have actually made T3 better in comparison. I didn't think that was possible.
T3 was watchable. Salvation wasn't, and I haven't even bothered with the last one.
Salvation has the cool handheld Sony computer, so it's awesome.
Just rewatched Salvation. Don't get the "unwatchable" comments at all.
There's a ton of hokey coincidences and plot holes, but those exist in all the dumb superhero movies you all love so much as well. I love the look and setting. Very Mad Max.
Also, I'm fairly sure I was pne of the T3 defenders when everyone shit on that too. By no means does it match up to the first two movies, but it has some cool scenes. I just wish they didn't go so camp with it.
The biggest problem with Salvation was that we finally got a future war movie and it didn't look at all like the war sequences in the Cameron movies.
I can see why that would bum some nerds out, but since every movie fucks with the timeline why should anyone expect it to look like what was in the first movie?