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For all my complaints with Zero, and it beats the shit out of guard. I'd rather play through Plants vs. Zombies for the 700th time, and it's not close. I was hoping for something decent I could play off screen, but nope, it's another forced dual screen piece of shit.
If they at LEAST offered you standard control for this game I doubt anyone would have bitched. Forcing this down people's throats is just terrible on Nintendo's part.
Nintendo feels they have to justify their hardware decisions. They won't admit making a mistake and so they end up with these Rube Goldberg designs that just end up pissing people off even more.
Yeah, I just hit the first part of the game where I was forced to use the gamepad controls....I think it might be the 6th level in or so....it's the first tank level. The boss does require you to switch between the forced gamepad view and the t.v. screen a few times, and it is more difficult than it needs to be because of it. That being said, it's not something I can't adapt to, and that Polygon "review" is still complete hyperbole.Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
I know we hate to throw number scores out around here, but seemingly half way into the game, at it's worst moments I can't see giving this less than a 7.5. If the entire 2nd half of the game is like the tank boss I just fought, then I can see where these low scores came from. As long as 90% of the game doesn't force this shit down my throat, and I can look at these forced gamepad moments as glorified mini-games then I can let it slide.
The only thing better than something that has no business in the game is the combination of two things that shouldn't be in the game!Quote:
Originally Posted by magnifiedplaid
This does sound reasonable at least at some lower percentage.Quote:
As long as 90% of the game doesn't force this shit down my throat, and I can look at these forced gamepad moments as glorified mini-games then I can let it slide.
The gamepad should've been regulated to controls only for the extreme rub Monster Monpiece portion of unlocking StarFox's dad.
Star Fox is the only one in recent memory where it's an actual struggle though. I feel like this is more Miyamoto seeing what those YOUNGINS did with Splatoon and thinking he could do better, but unlike Splatoon, Star Fox has long sections where you're always moving forward and Splatoon's idea is that you only check the screen occasionally when you're jumping to other parts of the map or watching territory. Adding to that, the target range often goes outside of what you can see on the big screen in Star Fox, so you have to look at the small screen.Quote:
Nintendo feels they have to justify their hardware decisions. They won't admit making a mistake and so they end up with these Rube Goldberg designs that just end up pissing people off even more.
They could've done with another 6 month delay but i don't think they had it. As it is, it's as mixed an experience as the review spread. The on-rails parts are the best, the big open sections with big bosses can be kind of irritating because you're constantly having to fly in, pass your target, fly out, turn around, etc. It's worse when you're on a timer because of missiles or the Great Fox trying to blow itself up or something that's trying to make it more frantic than it already is. It works with the Landmaster though, i really enjoyed the boss fights with that.
it's how you get Katt and Bill to join youQuote:
The gamepad should've been regulated to controls only for the extreme rub Monster Monpiece portion of unlocking StarFox's dad.
I really want to get this, but I know I will hate the controls so I am holding off.
...And in other news that Star Fox Guard game that comes with this is pretty damn fun. Tower defense games usually aren't my cup of tea, but this game can get tricky and intense. It's a nice break from the times where Star Fox Zero starts getting frustrating.
Yeah - Guard starts way too easy, but they keep rolling in enemy types and it gets more interesting along the way.
I really think you anyone could play like magnifiedplaid - as long as you get how the targeting on the TV behaves (it's not 'landing' on the farthest distance of the laser), there are very few situations where you have to look at the Gamepad.
...yet, I keep coming back to the thought that they didn't need to design it that way anyway. The motion aiming works great, and would be great if they didn't expect you to check the screen.
Yoshi - I know on the main map, when you pick a stage, before you confirm, you can press X to do co-pilot mode. Dunno if you have to beat a stage first (I beat the game before trying it), but I'd highly recommend trying it out. It definitely feels like a better, balanced experience.