It's weird watching this as it comes out. I watched season 1 all at once and found it a lot more coherent.
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It's weird watching this as it comes out. I watched season 1 all at once and found it a lot more coherent.
I just want to start over in Planet Bengal and watch it go to shit. I don't care about any of these robots and their stupid visionquests.
The show blew its load in the first season. The angry robot uprising thing just isn’t as compelling.
I'm optimistic that it's building to something.
so dont watch it!
there are plenty of action packed shows out there with wafer thin plots and characters.
I like having at least one show that allows characters to develop and show actual depth.
Are you saying the robot dialog is actual depth, because lol
Yeah, I had that feeling after doing a 1 week viewing of season one about a week ago. Is it just me, or does this feel a lot like LOST? JJ Abrams will probably screw this up, in the same manner.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilMog
Yeah, you’re both just wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
And Abrams is jut an executive producer on this, he has almost nothing to do with the show.
There’s a ton to like in the show. I just don’t really give a shit about any of the characters anymore after these first few eps of the season. Bernard especially. He sucks ass now.
He also had almost nothing to do with Lost past like the first half of the first season.Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
It’s his team. They did the whole switching between time thing in Lost, which often left you wondering if it was past or present, except this time they didn’t reveal it until the final episode of last season.Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
Except it's not. It's Jonathan Nolan and Lisa Joy's show and team, and they had nothing whatsoever to do with Lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
If you insist on comparing it to another show JJ Abrams was a Producer on, its team makeup is similar to Person of Interest
Person of Interest turned into some good tv.
You’re not the first person I’ve heard say that. Maybe I should check it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Some Stupid Japanese Name
I've never watched it, but it looked bad in all the promos. Like, Canadian network TV bad.
It started out pretty normal network tv (read: dumb), but shifted gears near the end of the first season.
There isn't a lot of tv I like, but I liked that one.
Yeah, the first season of Person of Interest was rough until the end when you saw where the plan really was for the show. From that point forward it was excellent though.
That was fuckin intense. There’s some holes here and there but overall that episode was fantastic.
Philosophical notes: my husband’s grandma has been suffering from Alzheimer’s for the last few years and was recently put into a nursing home about 2 blocks from us since she can no longer take care of herself in any capacity. The part where Delos was in the underground compound, repeating the same thing day in and day out and degrading to this terrifying physical and mental mess was like.....so eerily similar to the patients in the nursing home, it was weird. Like, the connotation that if we do somehow achieve immortality via technology (ie San Junipero), there’s going to be endless compounds of people’s minds repeating the same tasks, day in and day out, until the machinery degrades. No one maintaining them, no one visiting them, just abandoning these glitchy, degraded messes. We’re going to create the same issue we have with our elderly: leaving them to rot somewhere. It just all hit me in this abstractly depressing way and I’m having an existential crisis.
So who was in the red pearl Ford sent Bernard to get?
I think it might be that new daughter.
Actually, the more I think it’s probably Arnold.
And after a night of sleep I'm leaning William now. He's survived getting shot A LOT this season, magical future tech or not it's pushing it a bit.
Plus Ford is telling him that the game is for him this time.
It's McPoyle for sure!!
man, worst episode ever. no action and just talking talking talking. j j abrams ruined another show.
LOL, nah it's definitely ChristofQuote:
Originally Posted by Satsuki
WHAT IF ITS THE WIFE
I definitely think it's someone from Williams past. That line from El Lazos daughter about looking back instead of forward. It was pretty heavy handed with the family overtones.
I think it's Logan.
I think this was probably the best episode of the entire series so far. The Dolores storyline is just played out and boring as hell, and this episode just proved that. Delos pedaling backwards on that bike was fucking terrifying.
The scene at the end was telegraphed early in the episode, but there were still some surprises.
I know I'm not the only one who watched A Fistful of Yojimbos. Extremely predictable episode, but still pretty good. I really hope they wrap up Dolores/Teddy this season, I can't stand her any longer.
That's kind of the point, Dolores isn't meant to be sympathetic anymore.
Ya, I realize that. I'm totally fine with her becoming a villain, I just don't care for her story anymore. Every other story playing out is great, but her shit is just BORING.
yeah, I was definitely like rrrghhhhh this is predictable! However, I kind of realized that Westworld (as a park) is similar levels of predictable nonsense. So, I sat back and enjoyed it. Also: Japanworld rules and I want to go to there.
Well that was... expected.
I was hoping the red ball was more than just that.
So, William is definitely a host at this point right?
Yeah, those misremembering moments seemed pretty specific and as I believe I've said before it makes Ford saying the game is for him now make sense.
NOTHING HAPPENED THAT EPISODE
I mean, ok, it did, but it was very GoT style. Also why on earth did William think his daughter was a robot???
Because Ford has been fucking with him so he assumed this was more fuckery
Oooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ok. That makes sense.
Ya, they focused pretty heavily on him mixing up the Elephant memories. He seemed pretty shaken by it.Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
oh shit. Can hosts misremember stuff though? ARENT THEY CODED TO DO THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER?
Hosts that are using the mind of people can, if I remember right they made a point of showing that Delos was misremembering small things as well.
Also, that opening was major and easily forgotten over the course of a whole episode. Somewhere in the timeline Dolores is trying to put Arnold back in Bernard's body?
yeah, I'll be honest - a lot of the nuanced detail from episode to episode is completely lost on me. I absolutely blank on things if I'm not binge watching.
I'm in the same boat as you, It seems like I'm always behind when watching the show and I'm forgetting things to "get it". The time jumps make this a hard show to keep track of. I don't think I know what's going on in Legion either.
These shows are made for binge watching for sure. It's a shame they're distributed in such an anachronistic way.
NAZI TEDDY
Time jumps aside, this show is all over the fucking place lately. I'm starting to get some serious Lost Season 3 vibes, and its not good. And some of the acting on this last episode was straight up cringey, especially Charlotte.
I def agree - I like it, it’s entertaining, but it’s not quite as solid as the first season.
I'm definitely sitting the rest of it out and will the whole thing all at once.
The action sequences need to just stick to the old West setting. It's the futuristic spec-ops bullshit that screws up my immersion, so fucking cheesy.
I hope there's more gory samurai battles, too.
Exactly. That kind of highly stylized action is really cool and fits the show well. Plastic dune buggies that HBO purchased from the Mexican Syfy Channel is not cool.
Well, that was a darn good episode.
Terrence Malick's Westworld.
lol.
It was ok. I dunno, the whole maeve/daughter thing is a little eh to me. Like I get it and why it’s important, but unless the daughter is this crazy important beacon of Ford’s plan I kind of feel like the series is diverting a little bit. The scene where Ford is like, hacking shit up was very season one, it was so strange and cool, but I wish there were more unsettling things like that in this season.
Everything is pretty, I’m still very interested, and the piano cover of heart shaped box was great, but how did the Indian know how to get to the basement!?!?!
I just assumed he wandered for a while. He had a four hour window after all.
yeah but it took those other people like half a season to find it!!!
I thought about that too; kind of weird he wandered down there... The one thing I thought of was that he saw the construction and knew, potentially, how deep it went.
Maybe he was there before, around the time that he was out in the world helping sell the park.
I have no idea what the fuck is going on anymore. We get two or three stellar episodes, and then a bunch of poo.
Omg no that was the best ep so far
I LOVE YOU MACPOYLE [emoji24][emoji24][emoji24]
The big reveal this season is going to be that the brain fluid the hosts need is actually mother's milk.
Then start breaking bricks wet nips.
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by kedawa
I love that kind of shit, it's the blam blam action hero stuff that's boring.
also lol
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I’m still processing but I’m pretty mixed on the season now as a whole. While they certainly tied everything up well I don’t think it all ended up having the emotional weight they wanted it to have. I also feel like the ending of the season up to the credits would actually be a perfect way to end the show and am kind of wishing that was the end. It doesn’t feel like the next season is going to work very well.
Oh and that fucking post credits scene was the most nonsensical shit that pretty much sums up everything that I’m not happy about the show.
5hat last scene was apparently in the far far future, not necessarily the timeline of the next season.
it's still nonsense though and obviously somewhere they're planning to come back to probably at some points during the next season.
Post credits scene was confusing as hell. Was the park getting destroyed part of William's fidelity test? Emily said it was attempt 11,000 something.
And why the fuck was the system AI Logan? I have no idea what's going on.
EHHHHHH
That was a little too Nolan-esque for me. When you start laying twists on twists I tune out and just focus on the shit I like.
Macpoyle in the final scene is like in the super future I assume. Daughter may be host as well by that point. The marbles that Dolores/Rihanna smuggled out I’m assuming are Maeve, Smooth Dude, the Two Snake Ladies, and someone else. I Know when Radiohead was playing, that was supposed to be IRL and not in the computer world. I’m glad Indian man made it out ok. All the stuff with Bernard I have no idea and I kind of don’t care.
I don't think it was them, because it looked like Maeve's human buddies were going to get a chance to revive her, but I can't think of any other hosts she would specifically try to smuggle out.
Oh yeah good point. maybe weird new characters??? idk. maybe each marble represents a dumb plot layer that I don't care about!
I liked the finale a lot but that post credits thing should not have been shown, it's just too much. The epic time jumps they constantly do make this show a job to sort out, which I can do without. Sats, when you say Smooth Dude are you talking about Teddy or that dude that always wore black leather and was all about Maeve? Teddy is totally someone she wants back.
Teddy is gone into space though
Leatherman! But yeah I forgot about teddy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumpy
She took his head marble.Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
The forge was created by William yet had a giant array and server for the robot afterlife, with the functionality to upload and deactivate hosts (and presumably erase their pearl) and programmed so the hosts see this download as a portal, but this was never used and instead they just stored them at the bottom level of the Mesa?
Why would William create that function? Why would Akecheta want to go to another “wrong” world? Why would Dolores recreate someone to be her counterweight?
Robots, man. They just don't make no sense.
On a similar level, why didn't they just have robots play the role of the security system? Why did they even have real human beings doing that?
Season three spoiler right there.
Just finished the season. I wasn’t watching closely for most episodes so I don’t have many strong feelings. The season started out really off-putting, but I got into it after a few episodes and there were some fun times. Episode 8 with the Native was my favorite of the bunch.
Honestly though, while watching the first season I kind of really wanted it to go Japanese-RPG-level robot-inception, so I’m glad to see it play out this time. The first season was still better, but I’m glad I got it both ways. At the end of season one I felt that I shouldn’t bother watching a second, it could only go downhill. At the end of two I am satisfied and happy I saw it, but I don’t want anything more from this world. Pulling the twist at the end so you can go back and re-contextualize the earlier scenes felt like a retread of season one, and I don’t want to watch a third season where I’m anticipating another twist.
I'm just at episode 8 with Acechita and feel mostly the same way. But I don't feel the first season was so sacrosanct that doesn't warrant more. Half the stories aren't even finished their arcs. If season 3 gives us more nerd culture mash-up moments and top tier actors exploring intangible themes then I'll gladly watch.
Lots of cool stuff happened in Shogun World that was great. I like the way this series can juxtapose while still making sense. Keeps things novel. The constant introduction to military-villain-of-the-week has been far too pedestrian for a series exploring consciousness themes. William being shot 6 times was so over the top I had to believe he was one of them too (I still don't as of this post). The idea of consciousness heaven was pretty neat too. Lots of great acting and ideas going on here. I'm glad they toned back the nudity in this season. There's a shock value and novelty to it that's great (especially in the earlier episodes last season) but it upstaged the story a bit.
I really like all the strong or interesting women leads they have in this thing. They built the story and setting so well and aren't just shoehorned in to make a political statement. Their pain and moments feel earned.
Anthony Hopkins plays god well -- both here and in the Thor movies.
Season 2 is a great big shrug.
Season 2 had so many side stories and flashbacks that it just felt like they were trying to cover too much ground, and the whole experience felt watered down because of it.
Do we care anymore? I recall defending season 2 right up to the point I stopped watching it because it was so entirely mediocre. I dont even remember if I finished it. I dont care enough to scroll up to see if I did.
I'm still in. I want to see where they go with it.
Season 3 started last night and it was a lot of fun. It looks like they spent 30 million on it. Three months after the events of the season 2 finale, I really like the drastic story change of being out of Westworld...finding out what the fallout has been, and where Delores and Bernard are. Maeve is MIA so far but getting to see the near future tech (the crime app in particular) is really cool. I like the new characters too, I'm looking forward to where they go with it.
My wife tried to watch the first season, fell out of it. She's seeing these previews for season 3 and wonders if she can just jump in there.
Worth trying it?
I think Maeve is in Nazi park now?
Definitely can't just jump in. There's all kinds of shit you need to know about the characters and their motivations, especially from season 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Opaque
First ep of 3rd season wasn't bad. As I've said before, if it's another season of blam blam nonsense, I will not stick with it. But the Nazi park is very intriguing. Existentially, why would anyone go to the park unless they wanted to be a nazi tho? Like, no one is going to choose the Jew option? Unless you can be a resistance fighter? I would choose the jew option, but most normal people wouldn't.
Hey I've kind of really been enjoying this season. I don't think anything's stood out as particularly good like in previous seasons, and I've groaned at a bit of it, but I've enjoyed watching future Dolores shoot guns in Singapore.
I'm starting to get a feeling that this is heading towards a Lost like conclusion. It feels like we're getting the female version of Cain vs. Able, because that seems to be where this story is heading. JJ can't help himself.
Ummm Abrams isn’t involved in any of the actual running of the show. He’s just an exec producer. Nolan and Joy are the ones behind this show. They’re the creators and show runners. This isn’t going Lost, it’s going Person of Interest, almost identically actually.
So maybe I missed something, but how many copies are there, and have we seen them all?
What else do you think they'll try to gotcha with in the finale?
This show is still up it’s own butt.
I liked season one but I couldn't get into season 2 at all.
Season one felt like full plot arc. Season 2 and 3 are just stuff that happened after, just not in chronological order. I still like the show, but I don't think we'll see another season as good as the first.
That is a really narrow take on it. Action movies since the 40s have sold us on the idea that taking out swarms of Nazis is good action.Quote:
Originally Posted by Satsuki
I rewatched season 1 & 2 with my wife at the beginning of quarantine. Season 1 is pulled through by its intrigue alone and still holds up a bit but season 2... oof. It’s like the writers room demoted all of its female writers and let the bro’s go unchecked with meaningless perverse action (Picard felt like it had the opposite problem this year).
Season 3 showing the future outside the park was smart but I hope we get let in on some of the games going on. It feels kind of dull and rote they’re choosing to reveal things progressively. If there’s a game going on it’d be much more interesting to know the stances of each player and their attempts to nudge/fix the game. Seeing MIBs consciousness loop was the most memorable part of S2.