Remember all that concept art the Neill Blomkamp had commissioned for his proposed Alien flick that was all over the net recently? Well, it's official...it's his next movie.
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/tnl/att...1&d=1424373792
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Remember all that concept art the Neill Blomkamp had commissioned for his proposed Alien flick that was all over the net recently? Well, it's official...it's his next movie.
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/tnl/att...1&d=1424373792
Is this the Ridley Scott produced one that's set after Prometheus 2, or is this some other shitstorm?
I believe the former. Although if Prometheus 2 picks up where the last one left off, then Blomkamp's movie would have to be set after it.
Hmm. That concept art appears to ignore the fuck out of Alien 3.
What's going on here?
Better movies?
I'd buy that for a dollar.
As long as they retcon Alien 4 right along with it I consider it an acceptable loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anthony
Exciting news.
Lol, this means they're going to have to address Colonial Marines to explain Hicks to the general audience.
THE GAME WILL NOT GO AWAY.
Wut?
Yeah, but Ripley certainly does. If that picture is to be believed this movie picks up where Aliens left off, which could end up being really cool.
I would be happy if they just pretended that Aliens 3 and Resurrection didn't exist.
Alien 3 hate bums me out.
Yep.
I sorta imagined this is what they were doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
I don't hate alien 3, I just think they would be better movies if they took of from 2
I wish they'd do a sequel to 3 featuring the one crackpot prisoner who survived and Bishop 2 and their wacky adventures.
Alien 3 was okay - certainly a step down from 1 & 2, but Resurrection was just horrible.
I don't understand why they felt they had to use certain characters (Ripley) again at all. The aliens are going to sell the movie, you don't need to rehash old crap in order to have it be successful.
I don't know, man. Ripley kinda is that series.
She is although it would also be interesting to see an Alien movie without her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
As for Blomkamp's Alien(s) sequel, it's strange to see this all come to fruition now after Prometheus given how it's taking the Alien lore into other places. If Blomkamp's movie is set after Aliens and removes Alien 3 & Resurrection out of canon then I'd be fine with it but Fox would probably have to repackage the Alien box sets to include Prometheus, Prometheus 2, and this. It would be neat if they tied into the Alien Isolation game too given how decently it fits into the movies but they probably won't do that.
Anyway, there are some cool concepts in Blomkamp's pitch and hopefully he can of bring it all together to create an Alien movie that's not only consistent with the better parts of the canon but also have some original stuff in there as well. I'm a little hesitant about it though given Fox's track record with the property and how badly they can mangle Alien movies.
They made some. Remember the shitty AvP movies?Quote:
Originally Posted by Will
It could easily be argued that they don't count, however.
How would throwing the same aliens at new characters be less of a rehash of old crap than a new Ripley story?Quote:
Originally Posted by haohmaru
Nah I mean a new cast in a pure Alien movie although Blade's mom wasn't too bad in the first AvP as a protagonist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
In other media though I suppose Alien Isolation would be an alternative.
I will watch this.
Video is set to private now.
Sigourney Weaver herself has pretty much confirmed that Alien 3 & 4 will be ignored.
BTW, she's 65! I didn't realize she was that up there. If it's a sequel to Aliens they can of course explain Hicks looking different because of acid burns to his face, but what about Ripley? Malfunctioning Sleep pod? CG de-aging?
BTW, what was that video?
Sigourney and Neil discussing the genesis of the movie (early on in filming Chappie, she liked his ideas and he then sent her the concept art some time later). Their intentions to make a direct sequel to Aliens.
I assume then that Newt will be returning to the party as well. And maybe Bishop? Or at least half of him?
The top half, I mean.
I think they'll probably go with them aging in real time and the story taking place many years later. CG'ing Weaver and Biehn throughout the whole film would probably be expensive and look weird.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
Yep, and since Lance Henrickson was an android and is now quite old I doubt they'll put him in it.
Maybe he'll be the grandson of the bloody ear man from Alien 3. A cameo would be nice.
Video said something like "the fans have wanted an ending to the trilogy for some time now" so, yeah. Alien 3 and 4 retcon confirmed.
Just the bottom half, an android penis and legs just following Ripley around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
We had a perfectly good ending to the trilogy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
I don't understand this need to have Hicks and Newt alive again, "Alien" is a pretty brutal universe. They're dead.
You know I agree.
I mostly agree, too. Mostly
Just as I typed that, a perfectly good film art history perspective video on 3 shows up.
https://vimeo.com/76672771
"without women, men become monsters"
This might be true, but these guys are monsters with or without the presence of women. It's a fucking penal colony. Criticizing Ripley for taking on the "traditional mother" role is a bit much too. Her daughter died while she was sleeping, then she wakes up and there's a little girl, who needs help, that looks like her fucking daughter and happens to be the exact same age. Keep in mind that in Ripley's mind she saw her daughter alive, like, three weeks ago.
The video doesn't seem to take Aliens Special Edition into account, no. Amanda Ripley doesn't get mentioned in the theatrical cut at all though.
Theatrical editions don't count, man.
Yet the theatrical 3 is better than the workprint. I'll take missing the Golic scenes over the CGI they added.
I'd argue theatrical 1 and 2 are cleaner cuts, but I like the colony scene too much in Aliens.
You know that doesn't count. The work print is like listening to rough mixes. I wish there was some way to see the movie that Fincher was trying to make. I liked the non-hero shot ending.
The colony scene is cool, and I like it, but the movie doesn't "need" it. Ripley having a daughter is important. It explains the way she acts with Newt without it being "she's a woman, ofc"
Mostly.
Good insight, but that guys vocal fry makes me want to throttle him.
They could cgi them up for the beginning and then do a time jump, like Xmen 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Will
Yeah. When the only roles for most women characters in movies are "fuckdoll" or "walking womb," that's a problem, but we can still talk about motherhood for God's sake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
Plus, these movies do not insist on or normalize a woman's duty to be at home barefoot and pregnant. Does conception really look like something Alien urges women to drop everything for in the chest buster scene or in Lambert's death? Does woman-as-baby-factory seem like something Aliens endorses in the queen?
The Alien movies are so good that sometimes I get angry just thinking about them. It's like I run out of room for Happy and my feelings spill over into nearby emotions.
Aliens is one of the most pro-feminist films ever made.
And as for the whole Director's Cut/theatrical version thing, as far as Aliens goes I prefer the theatrical version for a number of reasons:
1. Like Josh, I didn't need to see what the colony was like before. I personally found it more creepy and mysterious to have it unseen until the Marines get there, only to find it to be a ghost town.
2. I do agree that establishing Ripley as a mother is important, but I didn't think the scene itself was that well-done. I know the fake garden was supposed to look cheesy (at least I hope it was supposed to), but Ripley looked like a horrible mother for going off and leaving her kid alone for what I assume was months or more at a time. It wouldn't have bothered me if they left in it the theatrical version, however, as it does explain Ripley's protective urges towards Newt.
3. Everyone jizzes about the sentry gun segment in the Director's Cut, but while I appreciate the idea behind it, in reality it's just a terrible scene. First of all, the Aliens are established as being intelligent enough to circumvent complex barricades and are able to shut off the power just prior to an attack, but then they rush headlong into the automated gun turrets over and over and over again? You could argue that the Aliens were simply testing the humans' defenses, but they should have figured out in seconds that those guns down the hall would shoot and kill them. Clearly, there were other ways into the complex other than that one hallway, as evidenced by the big attack at the climax of the film.
But the worst thing about the sentry gun scene is that every shot of an Alien getting hit was recycled footage from the previous battle in the nest. There were no new shots of Aliens blowing up, and in fact they re-used some of the same shots from the nest battle more than once, and tried to disguise it by cutting quickly and so on. It just looked cheap and amateurish. Cameron did the right thing by cutting it (unless that was a call by the studio).
If done right, it could have been a very tense scene. It still had its good points, but the film is better without it.
The "I'm Dwane, I'm Ellen" scene stops the Queen buildup cold, too.
Wow you guys know your aliens.
Plz blv.
Forgot about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
The gangbang scene is kinda out of place in a sci-fi action movie as well. Not sure what Cameron was thinking.
As for the Director's Cut of Alien, I'm ambivalent towards it. The additions are okay but ultimately inconsequential, aside from maybe the infamous cocooning scene near the end.
Ridley Scott himself has said that the theatrical version is his preferred cut and that he had made the exact movie he set out to make at the time...the Director's Cut is just something fun the studio asked him to do for the film's anniversary.
I liked the cocooning scene since it showed what it was doing with the bodies and added another level of horror to the Alien, there's was that argument of the whole thing conflicting with the whole Alien Queen stuff but I don't see why it can't be both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
This is the best response I've seen on TNL in a very long time. Well done!Quote:
Originally Posted by A Robot Bit Me
What, the soldier cocooning people? I always assumed that it was doing it based on instinct, like, waiting for the queen to show up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Will
I don't think they have to be mutually exclusive. The individual near-dead alien has a way to make eggs in lieu of the queen being around.
Were there eggs in that scene? I don't remember.
I believe in the commentary Scott states that the cocooned Brett was mutating into an egg. I assume that was going to happen to Dallas as well, eventually. Or maybe if Brett was turning into an egg then Dallas was supposed to be the host for the facehugger. Or something.
This is very cute.
http://www.rogerebert.com/mzs/watchi...-bunch-of-kids
I can't imagine missing part of a movie just to go piss.
I guess that's something to look forward to in my old age.
Download a cam when you get home and review.
He doesn't want to retcon 3 and 4, he intends to make a movie between 2 and 3. (:44 in)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ
How do they explain the aging?
They'll figure out the movie when they write it.
Making it between 2 and 3 would be stupid. Everyone leaves the hypersleep chambers on the Marine ship in the beginning and then hop back in at the end to go off and die?
Not so much the cocooning but turning Brett into an egg, some people have said it would have conflicted with the Queen being the only one able to lay eggs but I think both could have worked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
That's what I thought too. The "egg morphing" is a really interesting idea but after thinking about it the process of creating the egg doesn't hold up too well if you scrutinize it. Cameron's Aliens showed that the drones cocoon up hosts for the facehuggers which works pretty well since there was a colony of them. The original cut of Alien is probably for the best, it shows an Alien cut off from it's purpose so it just murders most of the crew members (even if in some ambiguous ways).Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
This site has a really interesting Cameron quote regarding the whole scene:
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In 1996 Cameron spoke to Starburst about his problems with the egg-morphing scene and concept. “If you follow Dan’s original concept, the closure of the original cycle was the human host turning back into a cocoon … The Alien grabbed Harry Dean Stanton and presumably put him into a cocoon. It’s certainly no great logical detour to assume that it might have used him as another host, but I think it would be a bit odd that he turned into an egg. That’s something that would have been hard for the audience to swallow because it involved the transformation of the human host and although one can assume the Alien can metamorphose, to have its biological properties take up residence in a human being and change it, [egg-morphing] was going beyond the ground rules they set themselves.”
Cameron however was impressed by the idea that the Alien’s life-cycle was inspired directly by the horrors of the natural world. “One of Alien‘s great attributes was that it set up a very weird biological process but it has a basis in science fact all the way through,” he said, “like the [life]cycle of a digger wasp, which paralyses its prey and injects an egg into the living body to mature.” He stuck with the idea of a life-cycle inspired by the brutal insect world, but egg-morphing was out. “I dispensed with it because we never saw that in the film anyway. Had it appeared in the film I wouldn’t have violated any logic turbulence.”
Yeah it was definitely the latter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
It makes about as much sense as the in canon Alien: Out of the Shadows that takes place in between Alien and Aliens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
That book is just all sorts of pointless and it more or less copies Dead Space's plot.
Fuck 'canon', that shit's silly. I'm gonna stick to the movies and the early Dark Horse comics, thanks. Even the contradictory ones are pretty good!
"Aliens Volume 2" is just about as perfect of an Aliens 2 as anybody could hope for, I think. (plus it's been "borrowed from" by Resurrection and the games quite a bit, even the mighty Capcom AvP took a ton of material from it.)
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Is Weyland-Yutani using the xenomorphs as weapons? And behind glass jars?
They're in stasis! Supposedly. The entire plot is basically 'earth is overrun, grown up Newt and Hicks are stuck on a colony run by a colonial marines general who has bred a queen and is attempting to use the aliens to take back Earth'. Everybody thinks this is a poor idea. It is.
The interior art is pretty great! It really gets the tone of the movie, one of the best looking comics from that time.
They should make this into a movie. It'd still be better than 3 and Resurrection.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.n...f09c85e7b33bd8
IGN interviewed Blomkamp on getting the job.
I'm still not sure if he plans to overwrite the events of Alien 3 and Resurrection since he said that he wouldn't but in this interview he says he wants to make his own version so I dunno what he's ultimately doing.
A quiet little story about a moon base somewhere where they watch transmissions of other colonies getting infested but never get attacked themselves.
Word is this whole thing might be DOA, which I'm alright with. They can't make a move on it before Prometheus 2, and that doesn't even have a script yet.
What.
Alien movies after Aliens tend to be born directly in to development hell, this is traditional!
Referring to the AICN report?Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
I'm not surprised at all, both films have been talked about a lot because both franchises are in interesting/weird corners right now but they're daunting tasks to write especially when you have to address all of the shit Lindeloft & Scott left hanging.
Blomkamp posted a new piece of concept art on Instagram.
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/tnl/att...1&d=1437093421
Riveting.
Hicks looks kinda bored, and Ripley appears confused by her steamy breath.
So we've seen that he can speedpaint Tired Scarred Hicks and Old Sigourney, what else he got?
Unless they're already signed it looks like Blompkamp's trying to attract Biehn and Weaver back to the franchise with cool concept art.
I'd still be down with having both actors return and have Alien 3/Resurrection be bad dreams Ripley had in hyper sleep. I also think Fox should tie the Prometheus and Alien movies together through David, I know not a lot of people were crazy about Prometheus but if a Prometheus 2 happens it could kind of bridge the worlds together by having it's developments include David screwing over Shaw again, acquiring a biomechanical body from engineer technology, inheriting the Weyland's company, and bringing back one of the ships from the engineer homeworld which could tie in with some of the concept art for Blompkamp's movie.
I'm still cool with three staying three and everything after dropping off the face of the planet.
As much as I liked 3 (particularly the alternate cut in the Quadrilogy) it's opening premise had continuity issues and flawed logic to get to the planet which I don't think should be honored.
It had some interesting themes and the no weapons approach to fighting the alien was cool but making it a nightmare would make the most sense at this point if they go ahead with this other movie.
Agreed.
One of the old 3 scripts (the William Gibson one I think) floated the notion that Bishop had done some shady egg dealings while Ripley was out getting Newt back. So the folks who hate 3 could hate it even more if that was true, which I'm also ok with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Will
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Originally Posted by Will
Lets not discount exactly how hot Winona Ryder was in that.
I think that would have made a little more sense, granted it would undermine Bishop's arc of proving himself to be a trustworthy android but he was shown to be very curious of the facehugger physiology.Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
I'd say more cute than hot.Quote:
Originally Posted by icarusfall
Adorable, actually.
Heathers in Space, really.
She can't even save that movie.
So after the last film was considered a disappointment, Scott's playing it safe and doing a super generic-looking Alien remake for the sequel. Eeh.
That looks pretty good!
Hmm.
Looks like a generic horror movie. Shanked in the shower during sex, how original.
I think the backburster was in something else, too.
Is Seth Rogan in this damn thing too?