NieR: Automata (PS4) Yoko Tuttaro x Platinum

I don't know how this got greenlit, but here we are. When "YOKO TARO" appeared on the screen i started screaming so loud that i missed that the music was Song of the Ancients and when "NieR" appeared on the screen i was losing my shit. This was the E3 announcement for me, especially since it'll likely be an actual good game instead of something i really like but have to explain why to everyone else.

Also the way Square Enix revealed it in the middle of the most boring business meeting ever was amazing and having Yoko Taro walking in going full Yoko Taro as if it was a normal thing to do was perfect.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHqdl9QUcAAKQOZ.png

And the awful audience not even reacting

even that was perfect

they would've had to drag me out

Despite Square Enix's love of introducing things before they're underway, this is already being worked on and Taro and Platinum don't seem to drag things out horribly like stupid Nomura so hopefully we'll see it sooner than later!

from the jp site

Click for full size


Click for full size


Click for full size


Click for full size

http://www.the-nextlevel.com/tnl/att...id=76979&stc=1

That this thread even exists is beautiful.

I think the last time I was that excited about a video game, I'd just found the last copy of Chrono Trigger at Electronics Boutique the day it came out.

*squeals like an 8 year old on fire*

Finch! OMG omg omg

IP, you didn't see the reveal? It was AMAZING.

best reaction video

I don't know who that guy is, but anyone getting that excited about a new NieR is okay in my talking book.

This was the most exciting new thing announced for me too! Only concern is it being designed at Platinum.. I hope that doesn't make it MUCH more action-focused than the first one.

Also kind of enjoy the current title "NieR (indecipherable gibberish)".

Yeah, Nier was easily the best left-field announcement this year, hands down. If I'd seen it on a leaked Square-Enix games roster I'd have known the list was fake just by its inclusion. Yoko Taro coming out in the mask was the best stage moment I saw, actually overshadowing nervous yarn-game guy.

I feel bad for people that didn't play Neir at release. It is delicious hidden cake. And the hype ruins a bit of that.

Everyone loves NieR, huh? I never really thought twice about that game (didn't play it either). I remember it getting kind of mixed reviews and then never hearing the name again. I'm kind of surprised to see how excited people are for this.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Frogacuda

I never really thought twice about that game

(didn't play it either).

---

there you go.

It is probably the best good/bad game of the past generation. Or at least, the best good/bad jrpg.

If that interest you, go play it now, don't read anything about it. It is very much 'secret cake' and if you know the cool stuff coming, it will totally ruin the game for you. The special things aren't so special if you are expecting the second coming of mario.

Nier's great. Its shitty parts are optional content.

It's weird seeing Platinum on the new game but they're practically the only Japanese console game developer left.

Plus, NieR had to be the least likely cavia IP to get a sequel by Platinum. Winback, Drakengard, and Bullet Witch all seem more readily adaptable to Platinum's style. Everything about this is weird.

Oh man, a Platinum Bullet Witch...

*gett'n a little hard just thinking about it*

Didn't Nier come out on both systems but was a completely different game on each or am I thinking of the wrong game?

It was different in Japan. In the US, we only got one version that was ported to the other system. (I think we only got the PS3 version on both systems, but I could be wrong.)

I think xbox 360 got the dad (manly man) version while the jp ps3 got the son (pretty boy) version.

We got the dad version on both systems. Not a huge loss. The motives of the father seem more realistic than the motives of the brother (from what I've read).

Let's take a moment to remember this awesome trailer and wonder why so few people were excited about it again.


If they can give me a trailer for the new one this good, that might even be enough. Just thought about this, but now a prettier Nier remake is also a possibility!

And I really hope they keep the "bullet hell" aspect and flesh it out more, but not holding my breath.

it's a pretty short interview but http://dokidokikusoge.moe/post/13070...-weeks-dengeki

Quote:

---

Question 3: I read your twitter a lot, and I noticed that you really like Tenka Ippin’s ramen and steak. If you had to erase one of these from the world, which would it be? By the way, when I say erase, I mean that all memories of them ever existing would be gone from you and everyone else in the world.

Yoko Taro: If I’m able to make that decision, that means I have time between hearing the problem and having to give an answer. According to your question, that amount of time hasn’t been determined. In that case, I’d probably stretch out my answer for as long as possible, “hmmmmm, I wonder what I should doooo. Their ramen is good, but so is their steak… Oh, wait, today I think I want to watch Mad Max!”

---

That Yoko Taro. He's alright.

Best man.

Bully!

I really hope the world design is more than 'running from one box room to the next' but otherwise, it looks way better than it has any right to be.

That will sell me a system.

Yay

I was already going to buy a PS4 but this just sealed the deal.

I was definitely going to buy one, but now I'm definitely going to buy one.

ALl the robots appear to have emil heads. I wonder if they are going to retread the story of the first, where you find out you're not killing robots, but killing the children that were turned into war machines from the nier book that was put out in japan? Further sealing the fate of humanity by removing survival options.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V13gdh-WhM

I need this now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq3_phBQA_Y

omg they have little robot helpers

That looks pretty rad.

Coming to PC

Day 1

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Yoshi

Coming to PC

---

http://www.the-nextlevel.com/tnl/att...id=79326&stc=1

What a lovely day.

I'm very happy about that.

lol, these non-Nintendo consoles this gen, man. Such small exclusive libraries.

I've been trying to dream up what could sell me a Neo or a Scorpio at this point, and I'm coming up empty. I already have hardware that will run circles around both of them, Uncharted is over, and Gears and Forza are on PC. The only reasonably likely thing that comes to mind is a Bloodborne sequel, but I'd be hard pressed to buy hardware for one game, even if it is with credit card points.

I didn't even own a computer for a year and a half until a month ago.

Consoles are great.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Yoshi

I've been trying to dream up what could sell me a Neo or a Scorpio at this point, and I'm coming up empty. I already have hardware that will run circles around both of them, Uncharted is over, and Gears and Forza are on PC. The only reasonably likely thing that comes to mind is a Bloodborne sequel, but I'd be hard pressed to buy hardware for one game, even if it is with credit card points.

---

I think there is a Valkyria Chronicles rpg coming out. It will probably be a console exclusive. But I think just me and No One care about that. Maybe Finch.

Man, No one and Finch should come over when this comes out on PC. We can connect it to a big tv and eat M&M cookies. Oh and cry, because these games are always weird and sad.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Yoshi

I've been trying to dream up what could sell me a Neo or a Scorpio at this point, and I'm coming up empty. I already have hardware that will run circles around both of them, Uncharted is over, and Gears and Forza are on PC. The only reasonably likely thing that comes to mind is a Bloodborne sequel, but I'd be hard pressed to buy hardware for one game, even if it is with credit card points.

---

The last couple years in particular have just been nuts. I've got nearly every Final Fantasy, Ys/Falcom game, and Elder Scrolls/Fallout all in one place. A bunch of Idea Factory/NIS/Spike Chunsoft games previously confined to 3DS and Vita are on Steam now. I can play Street Fighter V, Killer Instinct and Guilty Gear Xrd off the same machine. Add Tekken to that list very soon. And of course, I can play all the PC exclusives and GOG-curated classics I want.

There really isn't a reason to have a console that doesn't say Nintendo on it in 2016. It's not 1994 anymore; shit typically works out of the box* and any display/controller combo you want to use is doable.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fe 26

Man, No one and Finch should come over when this comes out on PC. We can connect it to a big tv and eat M&M cookies. Oh and cry, because these games are always weird and sad.

---

That sounds pretty great, actually.




*When it doesn't work out of the box, I become suicidal and desperately wish I had consoles. I had to do a lot of work getting Killer Instinct up and running at launch.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fe 26

I think there is a Valkyria Chronicles rpg coming out. It will probably be a console exclusive.

---

Right, but it's very likely just a vanilla PS4 game, which I already own.

They should put it and the hand held vc games on steam. They could just finish the translation of the unreleased one and throw it up. Fresh money in the bank.

It probably wouldn't break any records but it isn't like it's making money sitting there.

And jrpgs steam to do well during steam sales.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Yoshi

I've been trying to dream up what could sell me a Neo or a Scorpio at this point, and I'm coming up empty. I already have hardware that will run circles around both of them, Uncharted is over, and Gears and Forza are on PC. The only reasonably likely thing that comes to mind is a Bloodborne sequel, but I'd be hard pressed to buy hardware for one game, even if it is with credit card points.

---

Driveclub VR ;o

That'll be one hell of a lot of credit card points. Like 40,000 for the Neo system, 40,000 for the PSVR, 6,000 for the camera, and 6,000 for the game. I only have 52,000+ points right now, and I only use that card to eat out, because they give triple points for that, because gamers are fat. By the time PSVR is actually available in the Sony Rewards store, I'll probably have eaten enough points I guess. Is my excitement level coming through?

Somebody want to update the thread with the actual title? I searched "Nier Automata" and nothing came up.

Emil is in, as are Devola and Popola somehow.

I think this is before nier repli

I think Yoko said it takes place long after Gestalt/Replicant's 4th ending. That's (I assume) why Emil is still rolling around without a body.

oh man, they picked the saddest ending

https://twitter.com/NieRGame/status/806875997161156608

NieR: Automata @NieRGame
The #NieR Automata playable demo will be available worldwide on 22nd December 2016 on PSN!

Demo's out now. I've heard good things about it but haven't installed it yet.

I haven't played it yet but watched a few videos. It looks great. You get to fight some huge bots and you can merge with a vicviper/Valkyrie looking thing.

Since nier 1 was a retelling of Ys I/II I wonder if this will be a retelling of MegaMan/Astro boy and the robot masters. The construction bot in the demo could be darker version of megaman's Guts man.

The demo's good. It feels more "Platinum action game" than Nier 2 (which isn't bad; just different) but maybe that's just because the adventure portion isn't playable.

Finally tried this. Never played the first Nier so I had no idea this new one is a action game. Seems really cool. Basically Rising and Bayonetta mashed together! Music is good too!

I don't want to up sell it but the first is worth tracking down. It's cheap and the overall writing is good. At the very least, if you like y's you'll probably like it. The bullet patterns of the bosses are very similar.

Or not. It's a touch bland in places.

Finally tried out the demo, definitely feels very Platinum, I'm excited for the game now

Pervs have confirmed that the MC has a butthole.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fe 26

Pervs have confirmed that the MC has a butthole.

---

if he didn't how would he poop? think about it.

the butthole thing is fake. RIP game journalism butthole thinkpieces

Real pervs knew it was fake.

I want to like this game, but I wasn't feeling the demo. The main character design is cool, but I didn't care for the robots and industrial setting. I wasn't feeling the combat, either, but I'm willing to play it some more to get a better feel for it. The camera angles made combat weird.

I love that people care enough to fact check the butthole.

I never cared about Nier enough to play it, but I tried this demo and loved it. I expect great things.

If you remove the OS Chip, you die instantly.

The first is just a dark brown version of ys I ii.

I mean, I love it. But if you don't want to play sad brown ys, pass on it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fe 26

The first is just a dark brown version of ys I ii.

---

Great! I'll skip it then.

Ys doesn't have Kainé, Weiss, and Emil

Ys doesn't have boar sliding.

What is good about nier has to be taken at face value. If you build it up, it kind of turns to dust in the hand.

So I got 4 hours in on this yesterday and shit got REALLY fucked up quick.

This game is a lot like I imagine original Nier was: crazy original writing, completely bonkers storyline, separated by hours of sluggish Action RPG gameplay. The only difference is that this one has what I suspect to be a lot tighter gameplay. And...lots more spaceships?

Can someone tell me how I can ride the boars in this one?

I would if you weren't rude to Nier

The first half of nier one is pretty standard fair. Battle mechanics were like y's I and II but slightly more complicated than just ramming into shit.

I didn't really *get* this game until I did the amusement park sidequest.

#openyourheart

Played a few hours, and love the combat. It's the right balance of Platinum in a game that assumes you might be in it more for the story. So combat is as high tempo, but not as complicated as Bayonetta (at least to start). Plus the way they keep changing the perspective to effectively change the genre is really great too.

It's a shame that it's designed to still have that spoke-like world design (so far) that OoT popularized. It feels way more limited now that BotW is out, and I know that's an unfair comparison to make. But I can't shake it.

I don't mind the spoke design. Drakangarudwhatever didn't have it and in many ways was less for it. Nier is also a partial homage to Ys I&II, not OoT. In that regard it is a pretty good continution of that kind of gameplay and world building.

Also, I don't know if the style of BOTW or Skyrim would be useful here. Or at least, it isn't what the creators wanted. in Nier 1 and 2. They are very deliberate with what they want you to see. More so in 2 than 1. There is a conscious effort to frame certain bits of gameplay like film or a comic book panel. It might also be a homage to early pre-rendered PS1 game backgrounds like FF7 and 9. The park reminds me of the Golden Saucer. And robot town of the mage town from 9.

I like the battle system but it doesn't feel as tight as Bayonetta. I blame the color choices. Most of the mobs are a dirty white and they just kind of mush together and it isn't always obvious what the tell is for "here comes something to dodge."

If you like Nier 1 and Bayonetta , it is probably a good buy. If it is anything, it is entertaining. After 6 hours of gameplay, the game is still constantly changing the gameplay up. It can go from Ys Boss style Boss battle, to Vertical shooter, to Horizontal shooter, to platformer, to beatemup/hacknslash, then back to rail shooter. And all styles control pretty well.

Its subtle, but you see little nods to Monster World 4 in there too. The most obvious is the way she hangs off of the bot like the girl did the birdthing from MW4. Less obvious is just how fucking animated she is. When you run, she builds speed and eventually blurs. When you're going up ladders you can make her speed up and she will just lunge upward. If you want to go back down faster she will catch the side of the ladder with the heel of her shoe and slide down.

I don't really care for the save / continue system. It has one similar to ZombiU in that if you die, you go back to the Bioshock like save point, but you have to hunt down your body. Otherwise you lose some of your shit.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fe 26

Nier is also a partial homage to Ys I&II, .

---

How so?

Something like half the game is the same. Bosses use a mix of bullet hell and melee weapons. The game world is a series of small areas that link together in much the same way. Few towns. Small areas. Eventually you learn to talk to / hear monsters, but you won't be able to on the first half. The ending area is a huge tower. The two guiding characters are twin girls.

Yeah, there are probably like 10 or more other games it pays homage to (like the Resident Evil house and lab, with a lab that has the camera perspective of shinra at the start of FF7) but Ys I&II is probably the biggest in that the major plot points are kind of whatifs of Ys. Like someone played Y's and thought "what if the whole planit is like this shitty barren island?" or "man, now that I can talk to the monsters, I'm kind of a dick. Some of these monsters are nice guys." Espically that second one. That must have really stuck with Yoko Taro or one of the writers as a child. Because that is the biggest punch Nier 1 has. "what if I'm a dick and these monsters are actually ok people?" And that is lifted straight from Ys I&II

Not that they are particularly clever for that. Nier was suppose to be their last game. And the director liked to make games that effected people emotionally. They probably had a meeting at work and asked people what games impacted them the most, and things like Ys or Resident evil came up.

Using the small compact level design of YsI/II was probably just as much a pragmatic choice as a homage. It was suppose to be their last game. They needed to keep it small enough to finish and get out the door.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fe 26

I don't really care for the save / continue system. It has one similar to ZombiU in that if you die, you go back to the Bioshock like save point, but you have to hunt down your body. Otherwise you lose some of your shit.

---

Feels more like Dark Souls to me. You don't really lose that much; just your equipped chips (and some experience). Both are plentiful. Picking up your previous body spares you the hassle of manually reequipping the chips.

I'm on my third playthrough. This game just gets more and more badass each time through. In case you were getting a little bored after the first two playthroughs, the game REALLY ups the ante after ending B.

I don't see the resemblance to Ys I&II at all, unless you were talking specifically about NieR 1. And even if you were, I don't see much resemblance beyond generic action RPG tropes.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Well yeah, I meant Nier 1.

If you don't see a similarity, I question when the last time you played either.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fe 26

Using the small compact level design of YsI/II

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fe 26

Ys I&II is probably the biggest in that the major plot points are kind of whatifs of Ys.

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fe 26

Nier is also a partial homage to Ys I&II [...]

It can go from Ys Boss style Boss battle

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fe 26

Battle mechanics were like y's I and II but slightly more complicated than just ramming into shit.

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fe 26

I mean, I love it. But if you don't want to play sad brown ys, pass on it.

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fe 26

The first is just a dark brown version of ys I ii.

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fe 26

At the very least, if you like y's you'll probably like it.

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fe 26

Since nier 1 was a retelling of Ys I/II

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fe 26

If you don't see a similarity, I question when the last time you played either.

---

So if you were to pick a game to compare Nier to, what would you choose?

Dankey Kang, obviously.

God damn I hate Ys, nice thing I can dodge this.

We get it Yeller. You've had a knea jerk reaction against the game and are looking for reasons to justify your feelings.

1 is more like Ys. 2 is more like Bayonetta and a random assortment of shumps. There are plenty of bosses in 2 that aren't like Ys. And you can beat most things in the game with melee and avoid using yur bot to shoot like using magic in Ys I/II.

What? I don't even think about this game, I was flipping through threads.

Guys, I heard Nier is a homage to Ys. Confirm/Deny?

I heard yellerdog is commenting in every thread now

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AstroBlue

Guys, I heard Nier is a homage to Ys. Confirm/Deny?

---

More of a tribute, really


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Good ole in joke smug TNL. And here I thought that was dead.

It appears that you can take control of any non-boss robot in the game. I haven't figured out how to return to your original body after doing this, other than doing a manual save/reload or committing suicide.

I really like how the game uses perspective to play with the narrative, in a way that subverts the expectations of players of the original Nier.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I hear sleeve sends all his posts from his iphone using tapatalk.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Some Stupid Japanese Name

I hear sleeve sends all his posts from his iphone using tapatalk.

---

BUSTED

I got this today. It's nice.

It really is. MC is animated as good as Alucard from SOTN. Moving around is fun. She even has a speed run similar to the wolf form.

I'm still a bit frustrated with the battle mechanics. It doesn't appear that they intended for you to use bot attacks while doing melee.

Like, you bot target with left trigger, and bot laser/special with left top button. And the camera is right analog, and melee is x and Y. Then normal bot shot is right top botton.

I'm having to do some serious hand acrobatics to fight with the robot and sword at the same time while controlling the camera.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fe 26

I'm still a bit frustrated with the battle mechanics. It doesn't appear that they intended for you to use bot attacks while doing melee.

---

Try the melee pod special attacks! The hammer is pretty useful, especially in the forest. And don't forget you can counterattack after doing a perfect evade. There's 3 different counters: hit R1 for a massive gun blast, and the light attack/heavy attack counters vary depending on equipped weapon.

(It took me a while to figure out the counter system; the game isn't super clear about it :/)