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Pick any of his movies. His characters ruin them all.
He was ok in fury. But a couple of the other characters might be rapest, so, easy to look likable.
Starship Troopers. That girl with the big lips really stunk up every scene she was in.
What a waste of a franchise.
I liked the redhead. The brunette seemed like she had recent brain trauma.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
Yeah, the brunette. She sucks.
I'd let her, if you know what I mean.
You know she was married to Mr STD right? Still think you'd let her, if you know what you mean?
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The movie should have been about Val Kilmer's character.
It IS about his character. How he puts up with a drama queen for a wingman long enough to let the drama queen come back and "save" the day.
I of course mean pre 1991 Denise RichardsQuote:
Originally Posted by Error
Might as well get the obvious out of the way.
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That movie sucked either way.
You mean you weren't enthralled by trade negotiations and midichlorians?
Brutal movie. Oof.
the trade negotiations thing is grossly exaggerated. Fans act like they were forced to watch 2 hours of Cpan.
I for one appropriate his attempt to show how most wars happen, wealthy people not being able to trade the way they want.
For Star Wars fans, it was like CSPAN. No one watches SW for that bullshit. It takes away from Jedi light saber time.
its mentioned in passing. There isn't even like 5 minutes of it.
The problem isn't that it's boring (although it is), it's that it make no sense in the context of the movie. Which is a problem compounded when you realize major character motivations depend on this dumb framing of the war (and where invasions happen, how power is shifted), and therefore make no sense either. It isn't at all about wealthy people marginalizing others, although Lucas may have thought it had enough depth that it could be.
Wouldn't that be the problem, though? For the politics and trade negotiations, however little of it there was, to stand out so much means there's NOTHING going on in this movie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fe 26
Still, the pod race was... pretty cool.
I'm not saying that it was done well. The causes of real wars is rarely done well. It takes a while for wars to spark. Decades of annoyance to the powerful. Decades of oppression to the middle and lower casts. It's a slow boil and entertainment is bad at that. Games could do it, but few if any bother. Everyone wants to drop into the middle of a war. Right into the adventure or tragedy depending on the goal of the team.
Few things can or should be War and Peace
You're right. They should be War:What is it Good For?
Disney parks apparently
It makes sense in that Palpatine exposes the weakness of the Senate, by targeting a weak member of the whole group. He pretty much exposes that there are interest groups that have an influence on the Senate leader, and thus, Palpatine comes into power because of it. He pretty much creates a false war, based around a fault he had found within the leadership of the Senate. The bigger failure to the story was the sudden turn of Anakin Skywalker to the dark side.Quote:
Originally Posted by FuryFox
Zzz
That's Babylon 5 shit, keep it out of the space opera.
Oh god. Yeah.
Are you high? Olive Oil was killer in that movie.
It really had no chance.Quote:
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Given that it is a major part of all other space operas, I'm not sure what you're talking about.Quote:
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I know that Shelly Duvall the actress was directed to be a shrieking, sobbing mess and pulled it off with aplomb, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
I understood why the ficitional character Wendy Torrance's husband wanted to bash her brains right the fuck in, though.
I'm not certain she's supposed to be an entirely sympathetic character in the movie.
I really just wanted her to stop shrieking and sobbing.
And I wanted 300 to end right when the arrows blotted out the sun. Tough shit! Take that ass to Final Cut with those dreams.
She didn't ruin the entire movie, however. Starship Troopers is still great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
Willie Scott was right on the money, however.
Starship troopers is shit at being starship troopers. It's ok at being a b movie by any other name.
I think it hits on a lot of the central themes of the novel while being really goddamn sarcastic about them. I love that movie.
That Reboot looking TV show is closer to both the novel and total unwatchability.
Coicendence. The movie was never meant to be connected to the book. It was orginally it's own thing and the rights were bought after the fact.
Links or it didn't happen.
I figure it's a Blade Runner situation. Blade Runner the Movie has very little to do with Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep the book, but is still perfectly great as a movie.
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Speaking of Clerks, the real movie absolutely sucks but the animated series is genius.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaoofNee
This is true.
I still like the movie. :tu:
First movie is fun, but the cartoon definitely is the best thing Kevin Smith ever put his name on.
It was still better than Attack of the Clones.Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
I'm not sure I even draw a line between those movies man. They're all the same amorphous blob of junk.
No argument here.Quote:
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It has been a long time since I saw the Clerks movie, maybe I'll change my mind when I watch my CLERKS LASERDISC THAT I JUST GOT YELLER
AOW AOW AOW I got that too!
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The soundtrack is still pretty killer, even though my perspective on the characters over the years has shifted to 'what the fuck are you doing with your life' type dismay.
True. By "Episode 1 is better than Episode 2" I mean like 1 pixel on a really detailed graph.Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
I remember they fight 90 year old Christopher Lee, I don't remember many specifics. There was a Ray Harryhausen knockoff gladiator thing then everyone ran around with their glow sticks.
I think one of my problems was that when I watched it I was in retail so it was too real to be funny.Quote:
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Judge Dredd was a shit movie regardless, but Rob Schneider just blasted it into the fucking sewer.
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I'm not even going to make the obvious joke about this screen grab.
There are elements to it I *really like* but yeah that's a rough movie all around.
The ABC Warbot, redneck Cyborg cannibal family, and everything up to the point where Dredd loses his helmet and it stays lost. The later "Dredd" has nothing to match that stuff; it's a better movie as a whole, but it's missing a certain note.
Do TV shows count?
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These characters have the power to turn great shows into shows I hope nobody walks in on me watching. Both have heeelarious bits about being addicted to intravenous drugs!
In some ways the Stallone Dredd translated the comic better than the more recent one...it's obviously larger budget enabled them to realize Mega City One more loyally to the comic, and most of the things you mentioned are well-done as well. Stallone was actually not bad when he had the helmet on and was just being an over-the-top fascist.Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
There are indeed things to like about it, but the cheese and cringe-worthy dialogue/performances ("LAWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!"), not to mention the non-stop logjam of Hollywood action movie cliches (to the point that it felt like a parody at times) really just killed it...and then there was Rob Schneider, the most annoying asshole sidekick ever.
I think the later Dredd is a far better movie...I have no problem with them playing it straighter and more seriously - the silly sense of humor from the comic would be hit-or-miss in live action - but the lack of some of the signature aspects of the Dredd world were missed. The new movie was less a Dredd movie and more an action movie with Dredd dropped into it.
Like, it's cool when Dredd mentions Resyk or you see Chopper graffiti in the background, but those moments were way too few and far between. I'm okay with that, but if they ever make a sequel (which is doubtful), I'd like to see more from the comics in there.
I agree with this. Everyone not acting or directing was at the top of their game.Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
"A report in an American Cinematographer article states that the Heinlein novel was optioned well into the pre-production period of the film, which had a working title of Bug Hunt at Outpost Nine; most of the writing team reportedly were unaware of the novel at the time. According to the DVD commentary, Paul Verhoeven never finished reading the novel, claiming he read through the first few chapters and became both "bored and depressed."[2]Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
Robley, Les Paul (November 1997). "Interstellar Exterminators. Ornery insects threaten the galaxy in Starship Troopers". American Cinematographer (California, United States of America: American Society of Cinematographers) 78 (11): 56–66.
The whole idea that the movie is a clever satire of the book is just a con.
Yeah but 'who cares' it's still a fun movie (which in the end still adapts material from the novel)
"This happened."
"Give me proof, I dont believe you."
"Here is your proof."
"Whatever, I like turtles."
There are many ways to respond to an argument (read: debate) that you just lost. Why does the internet mostly choose to respond in unrelated, moronic fashions? (It's a trick, I know why.)
Bite me, that's why.
No, no, you really don't need to continue to proove my point for me. You've already done so, wonderfully.
There's a certain passive nature to posting on such a board, call it 'a grumbling acknowledgement as a shorthand for taking the time to talk it out further'.
Sorry to offend your sense of decorum, cupcake.
Incidentally, despite the article's inference, he's still wrong.
I care. Its like a Pie pretending to be a fucking Chocolate Cake. It is not a damn chocolate cake.Quote:
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Also, slightly related, apparently Aliens was partly an adaptation of Starship Troopers. I find that fascinating. It is really impressive he wanted to make the book into a movie, but probably realized that the power loader could not be done right in the corridors of the spaceship, and instead pulled back and did something else. That is incredibly admirable in film. Many would have went balls deep and put garbage out. Instead he played to his strengths.
There's also that Starship Troopers anime, but I don't quite know much on that other than it looks like Votoms a bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ4wXosbIC4
Fast forwarding through it, it seems VERY close to the movie's interpretation of the first scenes in places. Hmm!
I think there's grounds here that the film takes more from the novel than that Wikipedia entry seems to cop to. Football scene, check. Prom dance scene, check. Basic training paintball scene, check. Knife throwing scene, check.
The Ape Suits are the big divergence.
If so, she wins hands down. She was just god-awful. The Laurie in the comic wasn't anywhere near as as annoying.Quote:
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As long as we're doing TV, sweetie.
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She really did kill Doctor Who for me. No spoilers.
Seconded.
Haha!! I just now realized the show has gotten a lot better once she was killed.Quote:
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I wonder how it feels to know you got a job because you look like a fridge bitch?
Frankly I don't see the resemblance.
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Haha, I think I may have rediscovered Top Gun.Quote:
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I dunno I still like the Stallone Dredd, for as much as it got wrong (Rob Schnieder sidekick, etc.) I can never not watch it when it's on TV so it definitely falls into the guilty pleasure category alongside say the Nic Cage's Ghost Rider movies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
I should get the bluray of dread just so I can watch the robot. I will always love practical robot effects. Puppets or real. They're just great when done right.
No doubt about it, that ABC Warrior robot was a damn impressive effect. Even if they don't move quite as fluidly or quickly as a CG creation, a well-done physical prop like that tends to add much more realism into a scene.
For mechanical characters like that, something that has actual physical weight and presence is so much better than some super-smooth iRobot effect.
I would almost say an empty chassis with green stuff you could put textures on would be a good middle ground if the actual aesthetic is impractical.
The Marvel movies have an interesting approach, with physical pieces the actors interact with that get swapped out in post. I imagine it helps substantially with lighting the 3D elements, too.
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