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What does "make an excuse for it" mean? All current science indicates that the things they talk about is closer to reality than "just eat salad fattie". To date we don't have an effective treatment for dealing with the fact that your body actively works against your attempts to stay thin.
Our bodies want for all kinds of things we shouldn't do for health reasons, moral reasons, etc. Giving in to all of them just turns you into that cunt that wrote the article in the beta thread.
I'm not telling anyone anything — I'm just discussing the ideas and thoughts around the research.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diff-chan
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/tnl/att...3&d=1462554428
p.s. I was baffled by the amount of scrolling I had to do through google image before actual bootstraps showed up in my search for "bootstraps."
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That's funny. This was the very first image under "growing up":
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That's not how addiction works, unless we're arguing the definition of the word the same way that people refute science because it's just a bunch of "theories."Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
So you find it impossible or you don't? Because one of those is an actual problem with your body and mind and the other is just thinking they sure do taste good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewbacca
But you are. Your alternate proposal is something that isn't real, and telling them to just a meal already isn't an answer. When an alcoholic stops drinking alcohol their body straight up rebels against itself, causing seizures, heart problems, hallucinations, etc. Conscious control of the body can stop occurring, and nothing besides alcohol will satiate the need (although certain IV mixtures can certainly help).Quote:
I'm not telling anyone anything
I've dealt with people who have had confusion and hallucinations from simply not being able to tell what time it is for a day (yes, this is a fairly common occurrence from being in ICU), including people who then thought they were back in WWII and would require me to give name, rank, and training before helping them go to the bathroom. I've had to struggle against people literally fighting because they saw bugs on all the walls, or heard animals in the floors, or wouldn't let us turn on the lights because it would kill the cats they saw crawling around the ceiling. All from having the lights on for 24 hours straight in an area with no windows. Loss of control of your mind is a surprisingly easy thing to make happen.
"This thing is difficult and unpleasant, so I can't possibly do it."
Ya so no. I'm not telling them to do anything, and last I checked this was a discussion forum on the internet and not a direct chain of feedback to a specific individual. All I'm literally doing is discussing the research and questions about satiating hunger it didn't explicitly get in to.Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
My only point was maybe there's a way to satiate hunger with better dietary choices. Maybe not, but that's the discussion here. The biggest claim against this method isn't the addiction, it's that regular food doesn't satiate hunger in the same way that processed food does.
I'd argue that addiction just raises the stakes. For example, it's even more important for an alcoholic to avoid situations where temptation could be overwhelming and even more important for him to not take the first sip. I don't see how junk food would be any different in that context, other than it's harder to avoid.Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
Somethings are excuses and somethings are facts. It all depends on if the are used to stop moving forward or if we navigate through them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
People are too quick to declare negative information as being excuses and act as if blindly charging forward is some how noble or better.