The Trump Presidency

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Originally Posted by Diff-chan

I don't think anyone knows what the limit is. Seriously. Japan has a much higher debt-to-gdp ratio but it hasn't really been hurt in the capital markets or been forced to undergo structural reforms or whatever. And that's an economy that has been flatlining for over 20 years.

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Why would we even assume there is one as long as the US standard healthily remains the world currency? Japan has more to fear from disinflation and, to an extreme, deflation since their exports have historically been very strong, no?

After a week, the anti-Trump protest puts up a wall and deports everyone not thoroughly vetted. It's pottery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ7viO5bmyk

(also: Sam Hyde)

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Originally Posted by Andrew

In order for "war mongering Replicans" argument to pass the smell test, we have to collectively pretend the previous drone-happy president never happened. Or that Clinton never bombed Iraq to distract from his impeachment. Or Carter and the Eagle Claw debacle. Or just about anything that Johnson did. Or Kennedy and Bay of Pigs. Or Truman nuking two cities and intervening in Korea.

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Except the last 2 dems inherited a republican's war.

Debt is imaginary.

So is success.

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Originally Posted by cka

people are eager for that religion war that's been brewing for a few decades now

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I don't know how I missed this but oh man I hope so, as long as I can sit back and sip my tea, then rule the ashes afterward.

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Originally Posted by Andrew

Google "national debt clock." Click the first result. Take a gander at the "cost per individual" and "cost per taxpayer." It's in the upper left corner.

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I watched for a bit and noticed those two didn't move - what's the trigger for those to go up? Are they some kind of derivative of the total they are linked to?

Re: Discussions about the limit and it being personal. I know those numbers aren't tangible in the same way as my Discover bill, but nearly $62k/citizen and $167/taxpayer make me adjust my collar.

Also, the web guy inside me hates that first result's site. It needs to be overhauled to display the important info first and whatnot because wow, what an assault on the eyes.

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Originally Posted by Satsuki

it's going to fall hardest on those who voted for Trump in the first place. Which, I suppose is its own special little social darwinism.

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This is the part I hate - not only because my fellow citizens are going to eat it unwittingly, but because they will be given a way to ascribe the blame to Democrats. And, in all likelihood, the Democrats will be responsible in some part - aside from their culpability in getting Trump elected, of course.

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Originally Posted by icarusfall

Debt is imaginary.

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Originally Posted by Anthony

So is success.

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So is your mom.

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Originally Posted by Andrew

In order for "war mongering Replicans" argument to pass the smell test, we have to collectively pretend the previous drone-happy president never happened. Or that Clinton never bombed Iraq to distract from his impeachment. Or Carter and the Eagle Claw debacle. Or just about anything that Johnson did. Or Kennedy and Bay of Pigs. Or Truman nuking two cities and intervening in Korea.

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Let's not forget that Clinton bombed Serbia for similarly frivolous reasons.

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Originally Posted by kedawa

Let's not forget that Clinton bombed Serbia for similarly frivolous reasons.

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Oh man, in my teens I was like Bill Clinton's biggest fan. One of the saddest things for me was going back in my mid/late 20's and realizing all the crap he did.

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Originally Posted by Andrew

To a lot of us, a Business As Usual candidate, when "business as usual" equates to a $20 trillion dollar national debt, was the worse of two evils.

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You recognize that it is entirely possible to do all of this shit AND still wreck the economy, right?

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Originally Posted by Andrew

In order for "war mongering Replicans" argument to pass the smell test, we have to collectively pretend the previous drone-happy president never happened. Or that Clinton never bombed Iraq to distract from his impeachment. Or Carter and the Eagle Claw debacle. Or just about anything that Johnson did. Or Kennedy and Bay of Pigs. Or Truman nuking two cities and intervening in Korea.

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Look, if we're talking about war in terms of cost, yeah, it passes. Since at least Kennedy, Republicans have all increased the deficit, and democrats have all lowered it (except, narrowly, for Carter).

You can't be a debt-hawk and keep voting Republican, dude. You just can't. You either have to give up on pretending you care or find another party.