Well, Trump might be getting stumped now
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Well, Trump might be getting stumped now
We keep saying "this is the final straw" and so far it hasn't been the final straw.
It's one thing to be a chub-chub because you're just not into exercise, it's quite another to try to spin that you're fat because well actually exercise is bad for you and will steal your life force away and therefore being a fat tremendous fuck is the ideal human condition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumpy
Fat is energy, guys.
He's just preparing for a great expenditure of energy.
And once again, Trump contradicted his advisers who said the story was "false" last night with two tweets this morning confirming that he gave classified info to the Russians while defending his right to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumpy
The bad thing is that Trump will probably have a longer life than most of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bacon McShig
I've been saying for a long time that it's a total joke whenever modern Republicans call themselves the party of Lincoln, but now - for as long as they continue to stand by Trump on this Russia business - they can't even call themselves the party of Reagan anymore.
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Originally Posted by GohanX
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Originally Posted by Dolemite
I guess the joke will be on us when Frieza gets here and Trumps has a spirit bomb all ready to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by kedawa
Legally he's probably correct. But this is still the action of a stupid motherfucker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
Seriously. It's hilarious watching everyone freak out over this now. I'm glad I got past it real quick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc Holliday
This is 100% fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Satsuki
IT'S OVER 9000!!! Super Saiyan Maga!Quote:
Originally Posted by kedawa
What fascinates me is how the conspiracy nuts seem to be largely on his side.
People who are compulsively paranoid and distrustful of government and industry are supporting a guy who is not only the most untrustworthy president ever, but also in bed with with the fossil fuel industry, Russia, the telcos, and just about any other form of sinister big business.
It's quite bizarre.
Trump is doing exactly what I want - dismantling politics. OK, maybe not exactly. I really want more asshurt from the GOP.
They will never admit it. They are authoritarian to a fault.
Comey's first contemporaneous memo leaked!
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/tnl/att...id=80332&stc=1
Also, Trump team knew Flynn was under federal investigation before he was even hired as NSA. But... I thought it was Obama's fault?
Russia is yesterday's news. Obstruction and abuse of power are far easier to prove.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
Hey, whatever works.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
It's "counsel," idiot.
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/tnl/att...1&d=1495113712
It won't work though. Not unless one of his associates rolls up on him for immunity or something. The russian allegations are very hard to prove decisively. The abuse of power thing is low-hanging fruit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
Everyone thinks if they dig long enough there will be some smoking gun of Trump talking about the hacking or something, and I really doubt it's there. I wouldn't be shocked if they found him taking money he shouldn't have, but even then there's a much easier kill shot.
Right. If they can prove he fired Comey to put the brakes on the investigation - which shouldn't be too hard, since he admitted it to Lester Holt on national television - then it's an impeachable offense even if there really is nothing to the Russia matter worth investigating. The catch is, right now the Republicans call the shots, and by the look of things they aren't willing to turn on him over Comey - the investigators actually ARE going to have to conclusively prove collusion with Russia before Ryan and McConnell decide he's not worth protecting, the law (and their own side's high-minded rhetoric during the Clinton impeachment) be damned. Of course, it's always possible the rank and file could notice the cliff they're being driven toward and oust them in favor of leaders willing to put country over party (which will ultimately serve the party much better than their current course anyway).
Of course, that could all end up being moot anyway if those crazy RICO rumors pan out...
Re: Trump admitting he fired Comey because of the investigation.
Didn't he only say he considered the investigation, and that his concern was that Comey wasn't the right guy to carry it out? I know it's splitting hairs because of course he fired Comey with the intent of appointing someone to stop/flub/otherwise ruin the investigation. But still.
I think assuming he won't get impeached presupposes that isn't exactly what the GOP wants. And I'd take Trump over Pence or Ryan any day.
The mere contradicting of his own stated rationale before and after could be enough to get to abuse of power given the circumstances. But let's face it: any impeachment will be political, and the facts only matter so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calliander
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You misunderstand. When I said "hey, whatever works," I was meant that impeachment for obstruction of justice is just fine in my book as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Trump is so smart that he's maintained communication with Flynn after he fired him, despite the ongoing investigation. Jeez...
Saucy!Quote:
I ask her about the report that Bush had said of the speech, “That was some weird shit,” and her eyes light up. “Put it in your article,” she says. “They tried to walk back from it, but …” Did she hear it herself? I ask. She raises her eyebrows and grins.
I like 2016 Bush a lot more than 2000's Bush.
Me too, but I feel the writers of this show are going to pull the 'It was all a dream!' shtick next season.
If you give him too much leeway, Jeb becomes president by proxy.
You guys are still watching? I gave it a few episodes but the hack writing is just too much for me, takes me right out of my whole disbelief suspension zone. Oh well!
C'mon, we have to at least pretend politics isn't scripted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calliander
Shit happens so fast these days.
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/tnl/att...1&d=1496250004
It really does. They killed it already.
Yea it's already old.
I wonder how many Beyoncé gifs it's been posted in.
I was about to say, "This isn't wrestling!" in protest and then was like, "Oh ... right," out loud. My wife was confused as fuck.Quote:
Originally Posted by GohanX
It's not even funny. It's actually kind of concerning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Satsuki
What's funny is Kathy Griffin's thing. Truly bad jokes are okay when they are about people you don't like, but as soon as someone makes one about someone you like it's a line too far. Whatever happened to the reply of, "It's just a joke! Don't be so sensitive!" ???
I think the atmosphere is right for me to resurrect my "bloody, bullet-riddled corpse of Chris Kyle" Halloween costume.
Yeah, it was some lame shit to see the niggers on 4chan chimp out over.
:I
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Loved the Kathy photo, tbh. However, the double standard of people going nuts if some right shock jock did that photo to Obama is annoying. The picture is great but the whole phenomena is annoying. She shouldn't have apologized imo. But Trump using Barron to tug at people's sympathies was a great move.
You could swap any president's head of the last 17 years and it'd make a strong political statement. I wish she meant it as high minded as I'm taking it.
The only thing wrong was that the pic wasn't particularly funny. Try again, kiddo.
I'm fine with the picture for what it is, but yea, imagine if someone did that with Obama's head, the left would have gone nuclear.
I remember some playwright doing an assassination of W. play way back when. Paul Krugman often goes on about how the GOP does not accept the legitimacy of their opponents, but it seems to go the other way as well.
Well, Obama is different because of the historical context of lynching. But, there is also the historical context of six presidents' assassination attempts and five were Republicans.
No not really. What are you, a DailyKos poster?Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc Holliday
Whatevs
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Didn't they turn it into a movie, too? Or are they unrelated? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_...nt_(2006_film)Quote:
Originally Posted by Diff-chan
Exactly. I mean she could have done Putin, which actually would have been a bit more clever imo. But no matter what, you could literally transpose the photo with any right shock comedian/left leader and the libs would have exploded. additionally, Marilyn Manson just did this in a video a few months back:Quote:
Originally Posted by Diff-chan
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/zX-9w9XQN-0/hqdefault.jpg
But it's manson, so like.....snooze.
People in glass houses shouldn't throw glass?Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc Holliday
People in White Houses shouldn't throw White?
Am I missing something here?
It's more like "smurf" than a direct analogue to a single word.
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Originally Posted by Satsuki
Yes, thank goodness Obama never had to endure such treatment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diff-chan
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/tnl/att...1&d=1496323574
There's the false equivalency you were looking for, buttplant.
There are a few cute ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diff-chan
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I knew someone like you would pull the whole "but Kathy Griffin is a celebrity!" thing out of their ass, without understanding that no one has given a shit about Kathy Griffin in years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Kathy Griffen is Andy Dick in a wig.
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/tnl/att...5&d=1496328963Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
If you frame it as judith & holofernes it's less awful. I mean not really because it's Kathy Griffin but at least it might be going for something other than "lol murder trump".
If he's referring to the crap that people did to effigies of Obama, it's not a false equivalency just because Kathy Griffin has a bit of media "cred" compared to Joe Redneck and his crew or because of the palpable connection to beheadings by extremists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
Also, how do people forget those Obama things? It was a pretty common occurrence for all eight years of his Presidency. And while some were D- effort, many of them were quite funny.
It's a big difference when it's a widely publicized photo of a celebrity (albeit D-list) by an enormously famous photographer - known for his shocking photos. It deliberately was released by Shields to TMZ to gain as much traction and audience as possible - its number one point was to shock, politics a distant second (or third....) He states that its point was to give people pause, because it was so graphic. That's barely a political statement...barely.
People making effigies of Obama to burn at local rallies is apples and oranges. Those people weren't looking to shock as a main point, they were voicing their political dissent. Like I said before, she could have easily been holding the head of Kim Jong Il, Putin, fucking...Reagan. Whatever. This was two famous people working on a photoshoot with the intent of it to go viral. It's a very different move than Joe Dirt putting on his NRA shirt and making a scarecrow out of Uncle Ben boxes.
I agree that her stunt was intended to go viral and cause anger, but that's still apples to apples. Joe Dirt and his ilk were trying to shock as a main point and to believe otherwise is both naïve and rude. Comparing the outrage from the right about this stunt with the outrage from the left about the Obama effigies is entirely valid. Maybe it's "Macintosh" versus "Honeycrisp" but it's still apples.Quote:
Originally Posted by Satsuki
Both sides do it, I am shocked. Thing is, Dolemite's neighbor is just some random guy while she is a celebrity of sorts. She makes her living in the public eye. It makes sense that what she does will be multiplied by that reality, that's just a fact.
OK I like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
He's not my neighbor. But he does live about a mile down the road, which is still too close.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diff-chan
The Obama stuff got plenty of coverage. It's everywhere online. The fact that a celebrity is not out there peddling it is made up for by how ubiquitous it is.Quote:
she is a celebrity of sorts. She makes her living in the public eye. It makes sense that what she does will be multiplied by that reality, that's just a fact.
Also, Griffin did this solely as a publicity stunt thinly veiled as a "political message." The second it blew up in her face she was predictably begging for forgiveness and apologizing her ass off to anyone that would listen. I would have respected her a hell of a lot more if this was a sincere form of protest and she had stuck to her guns instead of being a z-grade celebrity desperate for attention.
As for the actual offensiveness of Griffin's photos, it was no big deal. But then again, I wouldn't be bothered if she had photos of her actually shitting out Donald Trump's head (which actually would have been more appropriate).
Nothing I have seen from left-wing activists and celebrities tells me that the hate isn't any less real than it was against Obama from the right. And indeed studies show the left is just as capable of hating the right as vice versa, despite what the LIEBERAL MEDIA might tell you.
Certainly not disagreeing with you on that...both sides are more than capable of blind hatred. I never denied that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diff-chan
BTW, to the surprise of no one, Donnie T. has indeed pulled the U.S. out of the Paris Agreement.
We're definitely saying the same thing here, haha. Of note, the photographer thinks it's great and refuses to apologize for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
At least we're cutting foreign welfare, since that's the only substantive part of the agreement. Everything else can be continued without any socialist oversight. The best quote was actually Obama's, though not the way he meant it:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
Just like nearly everything else, because they're all better equipped to do it than the feds or certainly the EU.Quote:
I'm confident that our states, cities, and businesses will step up and do even more to lead the way, and help protect for future generations the one planet we've got
The "holding Trump's severed head" thing could have been a brilliant photo if it were Arnold holding it dressed as Conan, rather than a grating D-list wax statue nobody like Griffin.
Right spirit, wrong subject.
What is your plan for China and Russia? What will the US do if they continue to ruin the earth?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
I'm guessing you will dodge the question by asking how the Paris Agreement would help with that.
The only realistic answer is to cut them out of whatever our colonization plans are elsewhere. I don't think sanctions or the like is going to change their behavior any more than redistributing wealth while singing Kumbaya.
China is going to decrease their emissions because the Chinese people demand it (as American people demanded it through the 20th century), not because of the Paris Agreement.
But why does anyone demand it? Especially in a country like china, that has a "lost generation" of elderly that are pretty much retarded?
is the answer related to why Americans did and do demand it? In why they demand anything?
For a sizable number of Americans, they have a list of things they demand because other countries participate in or have those things. There are plenty of conservatives that demand things only because they see at as support for Israel. And there are plenty of liberals that want changes to the US because European countries are involved or do those things.
At the very least, it was a step in the right direction. Much better than the autistic response of conservatives and libertarians that refuse to do anything unless it is "perfect"
Perfection and best are just excuses. They never happen. They are words to describe events after the fact.
Yeah it was me disagreeing, not Dolemite. Sticking to my guns on it, too: Celebrity or the guy who lives too close to Dolemite for comfort, it's a fair comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Satsuki
States, cities, and businesses are better equipped to do it? What are you smoking? They're just as inept as the rest of government.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
China is already moving away from heavy industrialization. They already knew their emissions were going to be dropping in the relatively near future. Americans wanted a higher standard of living that didn't turn the air full of smog and the rivers full of dangerous chemicals and metals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fe 26
The US isn't moving away from coal because we signed some dipshit agreement, we are moving away from it because it is more expensive and less efficient than other options.
The Paris Agreement was not a step in any direction. The fact is that these big agreements don't do anything and not a single country will put this agreement above their own, internal goals and plans and economy. Except the US which is expected to, I guess.
Colonization plans somewhere else? When and where could that possibly happen? I don't think that is a viable option if things do get progressively worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Greenland.
We already cut russia out of most things. And we are not going to cut china out of shit for a while. It would cause inflation in the US to sky rocket.
That's what I like to see. And I'm not even a libertarian! i don't think so anyway.
Yeah, I'll fast-forward to the inevitable endgame here: Already-kinda-garbo states will use a race to the bottom on environmental regulations to lure businesses their way, which may succeed in the short-term but which will undoubtedly come to a head with shitty Flint situations in the long-term. At which point they stick the entire country with the bill for their pound of cure, and become even shittier places to live in the process.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calliander
Come on. You know that the real reason we left the agreement is because the other countries were laughing at us and hurt our feelings. Syria and Nicaragua weren't laughing, so we're their friend now. The other countries will be so jealous when we only let Syria and Nicaragua come over to the White House and play with our new Lego sets. It'll be tremendous!Quote:
Originally Posted by Diff-chan
Plus all our toys are made there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fe 26
They were definitely laughing, but it was because we were stupid enough to sign up to set more money on fire, as if our UN membership isn't more than enough of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
I love how Yoshi obviously doesn't understand what the Paris Agreement is and is just parroting bullshit talking points.
I understand exactly what it is. It's symbolism with a pinch of wealth redistribution. The latter is the only thing we "lose" by pulling out of it.
Based on the rest of the discussion, Diff may be the only other person that does understand what it is.
They did an analysis on NPR. It's chiefly symbolic bullshit for politicians to thump chests about with no tangible metrics which cannot be adjusted to meet talking points.
Hence why it's dumb. What a waste of time. It's like this one time where people at my school were trying to get people to pledge they weren't going to rape anyone. I didn't sign that junk also didn't rape anyone
Several weeks ago, I tried to explain to my partner why the Paris Agreement is a joke, that at best it's the political equivalant of thinking buying a Prius makes you an environmentalist. Still, the anti-environmental stance is the worst actual thing of the current administration.
The Paris Agreement should have been a per capita based tax aimed at limiting energy consumption, and which the money went back to countries per capita. That would be democratically equal and would reward those who used less per capita.
OK, Pink.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
If California wants to implement green policies, great. Hell if the Feds do too I am fine with it. But I don't see what implementing green policies has to do with giving third world countries tens of billions of dollars so they can pretend to hit made-up benchmarks that are built from phony baselines they set on their own.
This idea would be terrible even if it weren't illegal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc Holliday
I get it. I had to explain to my wife and some coworkers why it wasn't the end of the world. But you guys here are doing a good enough job discussing it so I had nothing to add at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Noted. I should have said "of those that have posted on the subject."