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The discussion is about the state vs the individual. The state is ok if it puts the needs of inviduals first. It is not ok if it puts itself above all else. Increasing its size or income does not automatically mean the end result is only to the benifit of the state.
That sounds sensible.
Bannon is gone now
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lol. When we're lucky regulations protect the individual. More often than not they are to protect entrenched business operations or make busywork for government employees.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fe 26
There was a period between, say, 1880 and 1935 where we probably did get a higher percentage of good regulation, because we were starting from a low point. But 1935 was a long time ago. Then there was a brief period in the early 1970s of solid environmental laws.
He brought bad optics to the Trump administration with his nazi larper type shit. I'm glad he's gone, just a huge distraction like Flynn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
Hilariously it's usually corporate employees that complain the most about them, not realizing that a complete deregulation would unleash a flood gate of competition that was only held back by the high start up cost to meet the demands of state and fed regs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diff-chan
Do you know why we don't have any new car brands? No one else can afford to meet the regs to get those first cars out.
Trump has almost drained his own swampQuote:
Originally Posted by GohanX
And then filled it up again and drained it again
He's good at that, and pretty much nothing else
If he doesn't get the results he wants, it's obviously the people under him and they can be replaced. The mind of an American CEO!
Thank you for making my argument for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fe 26
It's almost like we agree on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fe 26
Yes.
I don't know if big companies realize they're being protected though.
Oh I think they definitely do, if you look at their lobby and lawyer activities.
They sure are fighting to hide global warming even though all the regs would protect them.
KILLIN' NAZIS! This is pretty cool. I'd read this crossover.
https://scontent-mia3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...4d&oe=5A30AF2C
nice saving private ryan tiger in the back
The universe is out of whack when people start agreeing in this thread.
nuh uh.
Tesla?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fe 26
Is Cap still a Hydra agent?Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
Bad Optics Bannon is gone for 1 day and Trump is tweeting like a grown up.
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Tweeting at all is not tweeting like a grown up. Also, way past the point where anyone should give him credit for anything.
We have 7 and a half more years of him. You don't think rewarding good behavior now is a good idea?
Hilary could probably beat him the second time. Or a cat or a rock.
The resurrected zombie of Hitler could probably beat Trump right now.
Hey, zombie Hitler looks like a man that can get things done.
I don't agree with what he says, but at least he says what he thinks.
Plus you can't assassinate him if he's already dead.
I am legit True Neutral, but we just use the normal twist tie that comes with the bag. Lawful neutral and true need to switch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc Holliday
Chaotic neutral all day.
http://www.allthetests.com/quiz32/pi...jpg?1432980305Quote:
Originally Posted by Fe 26
Chaotic neutral or evil.
Some men just want to watch the world go stale.
I'm not even on that chart.
I used to twist the bag then pull the rest back over the bread.
Now I just don't eat bread.
Chaotic Neutral or you're living a lie.
What the hell is that bottleneck thing? I can't even tell what's going on in the drawing.
I've never heard of it either, but I assume you cut the top portion off a water bottle and use the threads and cap to cinch in the loose plastic from the bread bag. Sounds like a lot of fuss.
Chaotic Neutral almost always. Unless I'm at someone else's house and want to be a dick, then it's Lawful Evil all day.
Many of those phrases don't match the alignment they've been placed in. 1/10
Seriously. Here's the very face of evil:
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/tnl/att...8&d=1503258627
Or at least someone who passed high school civics
Never been a fan of "I don't agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it", because I'm not going to die for some dumb shit.
That's in the "the customer is always right" territory
If "the customer is always right" was in the Constitution, then you might not be "some dumb shit."
Other countries have hate speech laws and they seem to do OK. Much better than the US.
I'll bet they'd love to have you. Be careful though; I'll bet their hate speech laws apply to everyone.
You should reread the constitution then as what is says about free speech doesn't seem to be what you think it says.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
No matter how strictly or loosely you interpret it, it applies the same to all sides.
edit: Just like how the shops in Boston that had signs up that they wouldn't serve "Nazis" are absolutely no different than the bakery that wouldn't service a gay wedding. That freedom either exists or it doesn't. I believe I read that SCOTUS has decided to hear that case, so we'll know soon enough.
edit2: I personally find it hysterical that the "do whatever you want and get someone else to pay for it" party has been on the warpath to limit others' civil rights for months now.
You don't defeat nazi and fascism by enacting fascist laws. The only way to defeat that is to talk about it, which is why free speech is such an important piece of liberty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
There are major problems up here with regards to what can get you fined. Technically not calling someone by their preferred pronoun in Canada is a hate crime.
I find it scary that the party of that loves to bomb every country it can with freedom has been quite Neville Chamberlain-esque for months now when it comes to white supremacists and neo-Nazis. I wish I could say it was hysterical, but it's quite the opposite.
It's really bizarre seeing new anti-nazi propaganda all over the place these days.
Godwin's Law reached IRL.
It's a lot like the tobacco funded anti smoking ads everywhere. I just want a cigarette now where before I wasn't thinking about them at all.
Well played.
This describes both parties.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
Which party is that? I think you're describing the Obama administration, but maybe you're going back to Truman?Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
Yes yes, they are both similar, but only one side hasn't played the both sides over fucking nazis.
True, the whole "bring self-determination" to other countries line definitely applies to both parties. It's a fucking joke and immensely hypocritical, and that falls on both groups; however, only one seems to be content with white supremacists and neo-nazis having a voice in it.
Probably because they aren't retarded ideologues.Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
I think they both have a point. Only one side actually cares about enforcing laws (which is why the Executive Branch exists) and upholding the Constitution (which is why the Judicial Branch exists). It's hard to remember why the Legislative Branch exists these days.
edit: They should go take one of those political compass things again and be more honest about being autocrats this time, because that's what they're condoning.
A former coworker/ friend of mine keeps sharing a story on Facebook in which a local man is seen at the Charlottesville rally.
Remind me what the difference is between these zealots wanting to out and shutdown the things they don't like and the fundamentalist zealots wanting to out and shutdown the things they don't like.
Yes, Trumps reaction was inappropriate. It's still absurd to conflate the idea the party you like is much better because they bomb people BUT HATE NAZIS! Or ignore the fact that both parties support war as an economic mechanism.Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
There is a dissonance here. I mean the person was at the rally supporting it -- so why shouldn't they be required to live with those consequences at home?Quote:
Originally Posted by Some Stupid Japanese Name
The dissonance I have is... does getting a nazi fired for being there help? Or will it just give a nazi sympathizer less responsibility and more free time.
The Boston protests and counter-protests were well organized.
I'm Ok with them not being employed and having more free time. Maybe they can read up on history, learn empathy or make better costumes for their next shindig
I never contended that one party was better. I merely offered the other part to Yoshi's point about Democrats, which I largely agree with. Both parties suck, and as a resident of a U.S. colony, I see that more on a daily basis than a lot of mainland Americans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewbacca
It's hard to say. Because the left is honestly worried that this shit is the start of the brown coats. (If they even know what those are.) The reaction is a mix of ignorance and 60 years of propaganda. It is pretty obvious to anyone that has even kind of studied ww2 that these guys are not nazies and this is not the start of a new reich. They aren't winning local elections. They aren't pressuring local business owners. They aren't going into minority areas breaking windows and Ruffin people up. The social and economic elite are not joining them free and epenly. So on and so forth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Some Stupid Japanese Name
But that doesn't matter because for the past 50 years we've taught kids that nazies are racist and Germany was taken in by promises of a wealthy productive future. Racists and economic depresssion. We do not go into minutiae.
Similarly these white nationalist are super ignorant and are worried brown people and fat moth women are going to ruin the world. Obviously that isn't the case. Obviously white men have it pretty good and people have never been safer. But they too are ignorant and scared to death of the other side.
I'd rather not have another local extremist have nothing to live for because people want to feel good about hunting nazis. It's dangerous path to put an angry and fanatical person on (as we've seen time and time again).Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
You don't stop hate with hate. You don't have to be a chump about it and give up your convictions or power, but what's the end goal here? Less haters.
The best cure for a racist person is to befriend them and show then a better way.
Worked in the 1940s.
This stance is ridiculous. Where does it stop? Should 49er fans lose their jobs too, because you disagree with them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
It also validates the fears of the other side. If you get someone you disagree with fired, now they have some actual substance to their argument that your side is out to ruin them.
If someone got a sjw fired for some random shit, they'd have proof that the man was out to get them.
Yeah man, totally the same thing. No, I don't want the rest of the employees to feel marginalized, have production suffer, collaboration suffer because of a hateful person. Pretty easy to see the difference really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
I'm sure you have a better view of all of those things than the person's employer, Senator McCarthy.
I thought being a white supremacist was one of those "don't do X publicly and expect to keep your job" things we automatically agreed on in society.
Fiscal responsibility
Is any of this happening though?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
How us this much different than way to angry and paranoid right wing voters?
What's different from yesterday when they had no problem working with them?
Then you keep it to yourself. It's not thought policing.
I don't know, keeping people from eating or making it more difficult to eat is kind of thought policing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
Don't get me wrong, I'm not pronazi. But until they actually start to harm others I just don't know if they should be fired.
Maybe it's my white privilege but I'm not threatened by Chet and his garden torch from home depo.
Also, every oppressor thinks as you do. They're right and the other side is vile and they can do anything in their power to keep the vile people in check.
This is how every gay hating neoconservative thinks. The gays are vile and are going to ruin everything. So silencing them and oppressing them is ok.
Besides, do we all have so little faith in our own world outlooks that we think any of this shit has a chance? That we may be wrong and the bigots right? So we have to silence them? We don't really think America and what it really stands for will come out on top?
And do we even know if they want to kill and subject all minorities? A lot of neonazies are holocaust deniers. And want to send minorities magically away. Like the Madagascar plan.
My stance is both the extremes, when given a chance to speak openly, are shown as the absurd evil they are and much more easily vanquished by the smart, competent, and moral.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fe 26
To me the tactics Joust is heralding and the methods of the alt-right are cousins and ultimately lead to continued polarization of sides.
And I think to some degree these groups want that. They're so swept up in the identity of the group whose pathology they're acting out that removing it makes them lost, and anxious within their own vapid hatred.
Yes. What would they even do without their hatred?
Your mother.
Trump got absolutely everything right last night. I loved the end of nation building and the beginning of pure terrorist killing. I also loved, "I'm not going to tell you when we will attack... but we will attack."
I agree with everything he said, but he's fucked his brand up so bad he could say, "I'm going to shit tomorrow." and I wouldn't believe him.
Trump can't even wipe his own butt. The Rs don't even like him
"That mother fucker's just going to hold it in, you watch"Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc Holliday
There's no such thing. Fighting terrorism is an ideological war not a physical one. If people want to fuck shit up they're going to. People want to believe the government and the military can save us from that but there's only so much they can do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Funny how both sides have a topic that they choose to do that with.
There is only so much they can do, problem is they're not doing a lot of it.
Afghanistan isn't one of them though. I don't expect the US to fix the failed narco-state the US helped create. We shouldn't spend one more dollar in that place. We don't know what we are doing in that part of the world.
Does anyone know what they're doing over there?
What even is this Phoenix speech?
They only lost their job because companies want to make money, and being linked to white supremacy could eat into profits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
CAPITALISM BABY!
Rising from the ashes.Quote:
Originally Posted by icarusfall
Anti-terrorism measures seem very effective so far. Terrorism by foreign nationals on our shores is maybe 5 or 6 victims a year. We can live with those numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diff-chan
And most of them are largely motivated by trying to influence our foreign policy in one way or another. The best thing we can do to discourage that is just stay the fuck out of unwinnable wars.
You can live with that as long as you're not one of them or know one of them, of course.
They're not hurricanes.
This was probably true in 2003 but if you read what ISIS puts out today (in English) it is not really the case. Maybe they're lying for propaganda reasons but it seems they have plenty of true believers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Edit: I will say I think the US has done a much better job of dealing with the problem than Europe has, which just seems hopeless.
"I agree with everything he said."
Did I read the wrong transcript? Phoenix? I'm really not seeing anything of consequence to agree with, just obvious manipulation and blathering.
I'm not sure what Phoenix refers to. The speech I was talking about was given at a military base in VA I believe.
edit: I think this is it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23WJCYtf7yE
He held a rally in Phoenix. I totally read the wrong transcript.