I still wanna see the constitution burn. Wanna watch the White House overturned. Wanna witness some blue blood bleed red.
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I still wanna see the constitution burn. Wanna watch the White House overturned. Wanna witness some blue blood bleed red.
oh, good point, yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Error
Yes, but Yoshi is competitive and sports minded. He'll defend a garbage pile on fire if it is on his team and beating the other team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Error
BLM got trump elected. Great.Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
Organized black people got gun banning started too. No one worried about it until the black panthers.
The divisive politics of a party splitting into moderates and more progressive faction killed the republicans for awhile, and it did the same to the democrats. I don't think it was BLM that got Trump elected exactly, but white voters are notoriously scared of vocal black people and will move in the other direction politically when they see them in action.
/edit Everything Barney Frank says about Sanders is true. My feelings align with his.
While I support the right for minorities to organize and voice concerns and issues in their communities, there's also a divisive nature to everyone orienting themselves around one aspect of their identity (race).
I believe identity politics is probably one of the main factors to the resurgence in white supremacists groups. That's what orienting your identity around race sows. I get why BLM exists and acknowledge the enormity of the way black people are treated by police.
The only solution that would solve most of these issues is police reform.
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Originally Posted by Satsuki
White supremacy is identity politics, tho. Jus saying. Again, people kind of forget that. The two sides play off each other. "My identity politics is better/more correct than your identity politics." BLM exists because white supremacy exists, and vice versa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewbacca
I agree with the reform. I love learning about law, policy, all that jazz, and just about every single person inside the entire field of police work and law enforcement wants to see reform. The minor few who don't want reform (usually the bureaucrats who hold the funding) affect the whole system.
18 DUIs for the Vikings. :eep:
The graffiti in San Francisco and the Bay Area has evolved from the post-election FUCK TRUMP to today's KILL TRUMP.
To be honest, the right is just as guilty. The republican party hasn't been about fiscal conservatives since Bill Clinton was caught lying and cheating on his wife. From that point forward, they were moral conservatives aligned with a few select religions. Thats identity politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Satsuki
Just ask them. Is religion part of their identity? Do they vote in alignment with their religion? The answer would be yes for a lot of these people.
The Moral Majority was a Reagan thing, it just didn't really have a solitary target until the Clinton Beej.
I wonder who got marry?Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
Reagan also pushed for a fiscal conservative balance. Or pretended to. It might have just been to keep black mom's from buying Cadillacs.Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
That didn't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fe 26
Reagan's Cold War battle with the USSR in an arms race left the Russians in a state of financial turmoil. The arms race also put the United States in a state of debt. The USSR was in such a dire situation, that they looked towards the US to help them reform their government and economic structure.
These guys say a lot of shit that doesn't happen.
I was Team No Candidate. This was my first election over 35 years of age. I wrote myself in. I still maintain I'd be better than the current mess in there, and potentially much better than the fembot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Some Stupid Japanese Name
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Originally Posted by Error
Both of these are correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fe 26
Yikes. I often muse, "We might have to kill him," but I mean that from the JFK point of view, not the Abraham Lincoln point of view.Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
None of us have anything to do with Calliander, officers.
You know what I meant, smartass.
No we do not. None of us agree with killing anyone.
Except for America's enemies.
https://res.cloudinary.com/teepublic...s/564446_1.jpg
Stop calling people that explode the deficit fiscal conservatives. People have completely forgotten what that word means (probably because it's basically been abandoned by the larger "conservative" movement and adopted by the libertarians).Quote:
Originally Posted by Fe 26
People are taking politics far too seriously.
Reaganomics!Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
You're so behind the times, dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewbacca
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adPXDTvADD0
get some pics! I haven't seen this on my instagram feed yet!Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
I don't especially want Trump dead, and I'm completely serious. I would have preferred a democrat in office due to the fact I have to see Trump as an example of a Goofus and Gallant type scenario in just about every form of media or discourse in existence, and that gets old. But ultimately, I find this whole scenario kind of riveting and it will produce good media in time.
The movie's gonna be so good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Satsuki
I know, I can't wait!
The poster will be an image like this. It'll just have Impact Bold saying, "TRUMP," and at the bottom, in the faintest opacity, there will be a collection of things like American flags, Russian flags, Pepe, sat image of a hurricane...
Attachment 80850
Trump is love, Trump is life
Trump was right not to go. Visits like that create logistical problems these areas don't need and help nobody. PR is having a hard enough time just getting supplies out of their ports and into the affected areas--forget having secret service vehicles rolling this ambulatory skin tag around for photo ops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
Ah man, those were a nice few days.
Yeah that was my point. All of these racial or sexual orientation groups organize, so you can almost predict disenfranchised whites doing exactly the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Satsuki
I don't think white people reverting to "being white" is a good idea. Just as I don't think black people identifying solely as "being black" is. It's probably ok for the cop stuff because it's a specific issue that needs reform.
Also re: Kill Trump. He was Democratically elected so fuck right off with that shit.
That's kind of the whole thrust behind their organizing, though. Because they're being unduly targeted and punished worse by law enforcement, because they don't have equal marriage rights and allowances under law, because the media doesn't see them as "marketable" and gives them lesser roles or passes them over. These are all legitimate and well-founded gripes for them to speak out on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewbacca
White folks are organizing because they feel oppressed, but that's all it is. Feelings. A wave of white resentment being fed to them by a bunch of white agitators with a whole lot of nothing backing it up. We're still kings of the hill on every social issue by a far margin. We earn more, we get punished less often and less harshly, we're the de facto faces of a massive majority of everything we watch while every other group has to jump a gauntlet of hurdles to justify why the main character is this race or that. Our advantages might be getting slightly lessened as society gets more diverse, but... that's what a march towards equality is supposed to do. That's the whole point, that no one group has this big built-in advantage simply by virtue of their ethnicity or orientation.
As the saying goes, "when you're accustomed to privelege, equality feels like oppression". It's not wrong that white people's default status at the top of the great social totem pole is being chipped away at a bit, but y'know what? Good. It fucking well should be. People clawing back against that are doing so in defiance of the very concept of fairness, gnashing their teeth against the idea that one day, our peoples might have to legitimately compete on an even playing field instead of one tilted in our favor. Heavens forfend.
Yeah, it's sort of a cop out to say "Let's just ignore these issues entirely," because that really only helps people in the majority. Most of the racism that affects people's lives is not the over-the-top shit like Nazis, it's just the subconscious shit that makes a white person more likely to hire a white guy, all equal, more likely to be judgemental of a black stranger, and more likely to feel threatened by a black face than a white one.
But, of course, that's not something you can actually fix either, and I do think politics should be focused on policy. The point is not just to complain and be heard, it should be to get shit done.
Yup. It's not an invalid point that all these previously middle-class families are hurting. If you give people a reason to grouse, you can't be surprised when they come together under some kind of banner. White + middle America + no jobs is a winning formula. (Not for them, of course, they're still fucked.) It seems like the Democrats have already lost sight of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewbacca
Also, FBI/CIA/whomever, please ... he's too entertaining alive. If you're going to act on NK or any other serious thing he doesn't realize has actual consequences, act by creating an app that makes him think he's tweeting but is really just sending everything to /dev/null.Quote:
Also re: Kill Trump. He was Democratically elected so fuck right off with that shit.
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Originally Posted by Bacon McShig
You can say that white people are best or whatever you want as a group, but you can’t go to each individual and tell them they are special and not entitled to their feelings. This is what harbors a backlash.
Well yes, the narrative and language of a lot of academic social progress shit is toxic. Lumping all men together is toxic. Lumping all whites together is toxic. Lumping all prejudice together is toxic.
You gain a lot more ground using common vernacular to just talk to people.
Like which do you think will get more traction? If I tell the old white lady that owns a hair care store that it would be good if she had nonwhites products too so the other 20% of the town can shop there? Or if I called her a racist out the gate?
Neither.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fe 26
Which do you think will piss the woman off more, furthering the cultural devide?
FHUTA
Both will be equally offensive to her.
You're full of shit.
In many ways, it's a miracle.
As a store owner, I get helpful advice on what I should sell in order to gain more customers. Comic books, board games, collectible card games. Every time I've heeded such advice I've ended up wasting money because no one knows I am carrying that stuff or if they do they already have a place they get it from that's probably cheaper than I can sell since I'm dipping my toe into it and not ordering $25,000 worth of merchandise.
With your old white lady scenario it's a catch 22. She wont order products for black ladies because she probably doesnt get any black lady customers. She wont have any black lady customers because she doesnt carry black lady products.
You should try selling appliances.
Suppose she has the extra cash laying around to put on a big advertising campaign announcing her diversification of product. Are her established customers going to be confused and stop going there? Are the non-whites going to react as if she's just another whitey trying to get money out of a non white base that probably shops at a minority owned shop already and so it looks like she's trying to steal their business?
When it comes to retail, there a fuck ton of possible factors for why a place is run the way it is and its not necessarily just a line drawn along racial boundaries.
If I could do it like Crazy Eddie I would.Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fO9XC3tAbkQ
Yes that's exactly the point, kind of. It's like... you can hold a group of people to a standard if they are actually acting as a group (like the white supremacist rally's in Charlottesville for example). But that's the extent of it. I think there's something truly sinister beneath the idea of holding minorities under a constant burden of disenfranchisement. I don't deny there are cultural factors here, for sure. But is white privilege the biggest factor in the power dynamics and earning potential of minorities? No. It's like 10% tops (those in power largely do want to try and stay in power). I mean look at the actual stats:Quote:
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Asian's are slaughtering us all by comparison — more specifically Indian American's earn $107,390 in generalized income. If being white were the sole factor in social mobility these other minority groups wouldn't be succeeding in such great quantities. By the standards of the identity police we're not even at the top. The takeaway from this is that a lack of minority representation in a lot of creative markets is just not a great indicator of discrimination. It could be a great indicator of poor community integration, though. Most of the players in the NBA are black, because they have the skill to succeed in the NBA. It's the direct result of the meritocracy of basketball. Nobody is discriminating against white or asian's here. We mostly just suck at that sport at that level of expectation. Black communities have it hard in many ways, no doubt, but white privilege to me is a really poor excuse for a lot of these outcomes when you investigate into it a little bit.
I've done a lot of work in South Dallas. I'm pretty sure old white lady would get absolutely no business there, unless all she did was sell hair products for African American people. She'd probably have to have an African American staff working the store, while she just managed the place from the back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Some Stupid Japanese Name
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Originally Posted by Some Stupid Japanese Name
Let me ask it another way, which method do you think would push her to actually behave like a racist? Which would be more likely to make her behave badly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Some Stupid Japanese Name
You guys can dance around this all you want, but talking to people respectfully and as indiviudals and not calling them racist because you don't agree with them, tends to be the best way.
I understand that. I've been saying the same thing for years, often citing the example of a former poster here giving me shit for saying words everyone used instead of approaching it from a non judgmental "hey, I know that used to be acceptable but here's some reasons why that isn't really funny anymore" approach. The fact that modern society is so willing to jump to labels and assuming the worst about everyone else' intentions is annoying and unproductive.
Even if the worst is applicable, putting the person in the wrong on the defensive doesn't help if your end goal is to incite change. I don't believe most people are truly evil. But when you're accustomed to living a certain way and are told that way isn't acceptable-well, that's a hell of a thing to just accept and change overnight.
Growing up in 90s Florida it was pretty common to use 'faggot' et al. as a pejorative for just about anything as a teenager. I used it once in my 20s and had a friend pull me aside and tell me that wasn't cool, haven't used it since.
I have a gay friend that I use the word around. We've lived together and helped each other through life shit. I also go along with his really filthy gay sex jokes which admittedly are pretty funny to watch around hard core conservative friends. It's like they want to leave their skin.
I don't really use it around other people anymore though.
Labeling an opponent, in general, is probably the least effective method for persuading a person. You'll get nowhere by telling someone that they're a racist, but you can totally explain that they've made an incorrect generalization about someone. Those might be the same damn thing, but you have to start from "You're incorrect," and work backwards on why they thought something incorrect (or leave it unsaid).Quote:
Originally Posted by Some Stupid Japanese Name
I had a similar experience, but I needed a little more than "that's not cool." I felt like "You know me, you know what I mean," and it had to be spelled out that not everyone does, and a lot of people could hear that and get the wrong idea, and most of them will never tell you. Meanwhile you have a ton of other word choices that don't create that problem." That made sense to me, so I stopped.Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
It's always better to just rationalize through these things than to just label.
Lol they just had a press conference for Tillerson to tell America that he did not, in fact, call Trump a moron.
I cannot imagine another administration doing such a thing.
He didn't exactly deny it.
That's the best part.
In good hands.
If 50% of us survive this Administration I'm pretty much willing to call it a win at this point
If your reaction to such accusations, true or not, is to actually do the things you're being accused of, you're immature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fe 26
"Joe got called a Nazi so much that he became one." Well fuck Joe. He's not an adult.
America is full of children. So in the situation you presented to me, I don't see either option as being more likely than the other to cause the person to "become" a racist.
Wait, I thought he *did* ... he's saying he didn't?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
No he said he doesn't want to get into petty things. So he did call him a moron.
But that's FakeNews(tm)
Oh, of course. How silly of me to think otherwise!
Start stocking up. Civil War 15% likely and rising.
Nope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calliander
LOL
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports...est/744447001/
Our government wasted a ton of money for a staged protest followed up by Pence lying about a photo. reeeeepublicans
You’re reading a lot in to that. Seems like he just posted a general pic of him and his wife wearing Colts gear to show his support for the team going in to today’s game.
No, him going there and walking out was completely staged. Press was told to stay in the van because Pence would be leaving the game early.
Sure, I’m just talking about the outrage about the old photo he posted to Twitter.
Fair enough. He did post that in the morning. He's still an assclown and they still wasted a ton of money on that stunt.
Oh I agree. I also 100% support the right for these athletes to take a knee. Even if the guy who started it was a terrible 49ers QB.
Hmm. Pence has been a bit more visible of late.
Oh, so do I. But, I also support capitalism fuckining them hard without lube for not knowing thier audience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewbacca
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sh...rticle/2636837
Are the ratings down at all? It's one thing to be unfavorable, but last I saw the actual ratings were only down single digits. It doesn't matter if the people hate the players/owners/teams if they're still tuning in.
If it all leads to some police reform good on them.
This new Monday Night Football theme is pretty questionable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_civr042Lis
That’s ring tone material right there.
It was enough to get Jerry to change his tune.Quote:
Originally Posted by GohanX
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...ects-flag-play
Some aristocrats making a fashion statement on television to curb favor with the nobility ain’t going to change shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewbacca
These guys earn millions and have months off the clock. If they want police reform, donating 1/10th of thier income and volunteering some time to coordinate events benefiting underrepresented neighborhoods with the help of the police would have a real tangible effect, more so than some dance move. How can we expect police to be chill, when most of their interactions with these communities are violent and under the influence. Get them out there volunteering to mend school fences and serve church casseroles...
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Originally Posted by YellerDog
Who's this guy ripping off Dennis Leary?
I will murder you.
lol
Trump is fucking dumb. Like seriously cognitively impaired.
http://secondnexus.com/politics-and-...2ec9abf6008d70
I honestly don't think he's the first president not to know, haha. But...still, sucks for us.
That may be the case but I do not trust whatever web site that is. One of the primary reasons being an embedded Tweet from the Palmer Report.
I don't think what Trump said necessarily means that he doesn't understand. It's more like the double speak typical of American CEOs where they highlight this good thing over here to make this other bad thing over there not seem like it's bad. Anyone in corporate America sees this shit all the time, and Trump has always been horrible at doing it to make it seem like he or his company are awesome.
Of course, he probably doesn't really understand national debt either.
His quote is exactly what he said on Hannity, no matter what site it comes from.
It's a video interview, man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calliander
I think he understands that it isn't the same thing, but I don't think he understands that it's entirely unconnected whatsoever and that he sounds like a retard for even bringing it up in the conversation.Quote:
Originally Posted by GohanX
Bear in mind this is the same guy who said his plan for solving the debt was to default on it and settle it for pennies on the dollar. He really doesn't understand this shit whatsoever.
At some point you gotta call a spade a spade
Trump is a total idiot
All white people are total idiots. POC need to rise up.
I forgot about that one. :fail:Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
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Originally Posted by YellerDog
To play devil's advocate, most POC are double idiots. But, lucky for them, they have a narrative that absolves them of responsibility for their stupidity, while white people have nowhere to run from theirs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc Holliday
Really, people of all walks of life are fucking stupid.
Wat
The fuck?
lol