There are degrees to this, IMO.
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Trump is an idiot. Nominating the judge now, only fires up Democrats to drive to the polls in November, as Ginsburg is a fountain of youth*. But, if he announces he will wait until January, 1) he can tout he’s giving Americans a voice, and 2) it incentivizes Republicans to vote in November, guaranteeing both chambers and still getting the judge.
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Cohen is likely making Trump hella nervous right now. He said he's putting family & country first, above Trump.
It seems there's a headline six times every day about how so-and-so is making Trump nervous or so-and-so has the dirt that will finally sink Trump. At this point I'm resigned to the fact that he's serving his full term and will believe otherwise only when he's dragged out of the White House in handcuffs by guys dressed like Judge Dredd.
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It’d be a shame if he came down with a terminal illness
Are Trump & Kim both playing us? NK seems not too interested in denuclearization. It looks like they're putting finishing touches on expansion of a main missile production site.
If by “us” you mean the total dopes that make up his base, then yeah.
Everyone else knew the “summit” was a total sham.
lol. I feel sorry for my friends who are these die-hard liberals, so many times when they talk to me it will be like "oh, NOW we really got 'em!" And it's like.....no, we really don't. Nothing really sticks to him, and we're probably going to see him reelected too. It's Bush 2 all over again, everyone is rallying with a completely useless party system that has been broken af since the 80s, and it doesn't really change any of the core structure that needs serious help. I'm not saying that a guy like Trump doesn't make things tough. But when people are screaming Roe V Wade is going to be overturned by the end of the year, and gay marriage is on the chopping block, I'm like really? really?
Cohen due to his specific role is probably uniquely poised to offer up meaningful dirt, it just may not be the dirt we were expecting.
That said, I can't imagine what the charges would be that would motivate a Republican congress to impeach. They've shown they're pretty much ok with anything as long as he continues to be useful in advancing their agenda.
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GOP lawmakers requested that their meetings with members of the Russian government proceed in a closed format (no press allowed).
Here is @SenShelby chitchatting with Molotov's grandson, Vyacheslav Nikonov.
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I love Trump and think he’s the best President we’ve had in our lifetime, but his high risk behavior is wearing me out so much I think we need a collective break. So, my hope is Ruth retires the end of the year, he gets his tariffs, him and AMLO work out a deal to jointly police cartels and immigration, and then he determines he’s done and go back to golfing and support Sleepy Ben Carson in 2020.
Alex agrees.
exactly! Like, I hate putting one of my besties on blast like this, but when I talked to her last she said something about someone important giving an interview on MSNBC, and how this will change everything, and I politely nodded. It's not like she isn't smart, or experienced, but she really believes this claptrap that the 24 hour news cycle spits out at us. It's as bad as the Fox News news diehards, there is a good swath of liberal women especially who just fall for this stuff constantly. I'm so surprised "our side" is falling for the same dumb shit.
Both of these things are probable.
The Ohio law prohibiting abortions in cases where a heartbeat is perceptible, which can happen six weeks in, will likely go to the Supreme Court within a year. It will likely be upheld. That's pretty close to an outright abortion ban for any state who wants to adopt one.
I would hope that enough people who voted for him the 1st time would say "Fuck me over once, shame on you... fuck me over twice, shame on me". If he wins again, IS2G I'll be worried... not just about another 4 years of you-know-who & his policies, but more about the USA voters' level of sense.
Trump's base will never hold him to account.
His failures are all either fake news, or someone else's fault.
Haven't you been paying attention?
Oh sure, no doubt there will be the idiots who believe Trump is infallible. I'm just hoping that the "fuck me over twice, shame on me" group will vote for the Democrat challenger rather than a 3rd party. I know a few people who voted for Trump, while in the past year they have S2G that they won't go with him again. Got to be many others like that.
I think everyone should vote for a third party/independent.
Show me a good one.
I'm not convinced yet. I'm not saying we shouldn't be vigilant and such, but I think we have a long road ahead of us before RvW is completely overturned. And hey, if in a year I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. But we've had more ideologically conservative supreme courts since, and it survived.
Yeah, you're wrong. Hell they already have the law in Iowa they specifically passed to try to attack roe vs wade again and now its chances of actually overturning it have vastly improved. Expect to see a lot more similar laws in red states in the coming months.
They call them Trigger Laws. Which is just delightful.
States need to not ban abortion. If that happens, Dr. Rusty Hooke & his back-alley abortion clinics will be back in business. Women seeking one for whatever reason should not lose the option to have it done by a real doctor.
Amy Coney Barrett? She's a fave of Trump's, so she's got to be a real dog. No Coney Dog on the Supreme Court, please. :lol:
"Pour over my tweets"? LOL. What a Badd Spellar. Maybe he needed to pour himself some regular coffee instead of decaf before hitting the keyboard!
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Annihilate your fetus.
They're a bad party. They're a bad, shitty party with absolutely no vision.
As for Roe v. Wade, there's not going to be a date we can point to to say, "That's when Roe v Wade was over" or, "That's the day the abortion bans happened." It's going to be a series of states advancing restrictions like the OH heartbeat law that passed state congress, like the TX law mandating that clinics have 8'-wide hallways and that no abortion be performed outside of a 30-mile radius from a hospital. If that case goes to the SC today instead of mid-2016, the ruling goes the other way, and states would have a way to prohibit abortions at any clinic that doesn't meet hospital-level building regulations, which is just about all of them. The Planned Parenthoods I've seen are small buildings in urban areas that do not have 8'-wide hallways. Abortions at these Planned Parenthoods--just about every Planned Parenthood--would be over in any state who wants to end them.
Laws like these will continue to be passed, but now the SCOTUS rulings will go the other way. It's already incredibly difficult for women to get abortions in much of the country. Sure, abortions will be readily available and affordable in the populated areas of CA, NY, MA, etc., but it they will become impossible in the states where they're already extremely hard to get. And those states happen to be the huge ones, making state lines difficult to cross, and even if you do cross them, there's usually another like-minded anti-choice state waiting across the border.
It's difficult to overstate just how real this threat is.
Hey so in addition to the GOP meeting with Russia, now we have Trump meeting with Putin one-on-one without aides
http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis....-aides-present
I wonder what's happening there
This isn't even the first time this has happened.
The vicious irony is that the exact people that will hand-wave away the bog-standard transparency of a third party recording and/or observing a meeting between major world leaders as nothing suspicious are the same people that root for a surveillance state and say "What's the problem, you have something to hide?"
Like I said earlier , the high road's a trap, respectability politics is a losing battle in the current climate. The electorate wants to see a gladiator match and the Dems are sending milquetoast philosophers.Quote:
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That's not at all to say they need someone crass and lumbering to match the other side; They just need people that stop fucking pulling their punches in the name of civility and will cut hard and deep with the fact checks and insults these dunderheads keep leaving themselves wide open for. A quick wit that throws lingering soundbites and a bit of comedic sass right back at the face of slack-jawed Republican logic is the best weapon to make the public come around to how deeply stupid and uncool most conservative tenets are. Being careful not to step on toes, letting ridiculous statements and bold-faced lies just pass by with nothing but a haughty, dismissive laugh, and trusting the electorate to separate fact from fiction is a loser's game. It's a self-imposed handicap that the other side clearly isn't reciprocating.
Spell everything out for your audience and show them the blood of your enemy. Treat them like they're idiots that will furrow their neanderthal brows in confusion and disgust at a match that ends in a technical decision and not a clear knockout. Because, by and large, that's what they are.
Yeah that’s always the weirdest thing. We can believe in dumb ass shit like Pizzagate but things that are actually real and easy to deduce without nineteen leaps in logic...tumbleweeds
I'm not screaming it but they're definite realities now. People find loopholes around shit. I don't know if it'll be the "religious freedom" red herring or something else, but they'll formulate something with regard to gay marriage. I also don't doubt that some Roe v. Wade busters have been on hold because of 5-4, but will be loosed because of 6-3 now. As Cheeks is fond of saying, all the sportspolitik stuff is going to make them go nuts and push their agendas.
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The Dems don't need great candidates. They just need a viable alt to Trump who will actually run a campaign (Hilary didn't even campaign in half the states she lost). Bernie and Elizabeth "Pochahontas" Warren are the only other candidates I can even name right now.
Don’t fucking post that warren nickname bullshit, it’s honestly offensive as fuck.
On NPR today, they said there were a record number of Native Americans running for office this year. And the two current Native Americans in congress are both Repulicans. Neither are Elizabeth Warren.
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Today there are two native men in the United States House of Representatives, both Republicans from Oklahoma. (Elizabeth Warren, the senator from Massachusetts, has discussed having native heritage but is not enrolled in a tribe.)
So John Stewart?
The problem, unless you resurrect some dead comedians, is that fact checking takes time. And liberal politicians aren't going to risk slamming the other side, then look foolish later.
In other news, a rl friend agreed with me that they should just run Samuel Jackson for Demo president. Or Morgan Freeman. They obviously don't actually have anyone worth a shit on either side. And Samuel Jackson seems like a nice guy.
No, you’re right! As I said on the other thread, it’s true - the loopholes and incremental policy is what we need to be frightened of. I’m weary of the liberal sky is falling mentality, so when the real shit hits the fan we’ve been so overwrought with all the minor injustices along the way that we can’t see the forest for the trees. These issues didn’t start with Trump, or Obama, or Bush 2 even. They’ve been in our core foundation since the beginning, and some administrations bring out the muck more than others, it’s how it goes. Obviously I’m not in love with the idea of progress being undone, but a lot of people chose to humor the nuclear option (figuratively, hopefully) and thus we suffer the consequences as a society.
I mean the nickname is clearly over the line. But she also falsely claimed to be of native descent and still holds on to that made up heritage to this day. In a world where Trump is the opposition it’s a boneheaded move. The fact that it triggered bbobb so aggressively is pretty great too.
We’ve been told that every Republican president since Reagan was literally Hitler II.
He’s in Portland now. Even the non-existent black men become white women.
That could be really awesome or really horrible.
And every democrat was literally Marx, Lenin, Satan, and Hitler in some sort of odd Voltron. However, I'm used to the right being hysterical - that's why people like Rush Limbaugh are still employed, because they are so over the top with their grievances that it's entertaining. That's why Anita Bryant and Billy Graham are still made fun of, long after they ceased to be relevant. The right has an embedded hysteria in its core since Reagan, which I think stems from the alignment with Fundamentalism and ttttthhhheeeee grrreeeaaaat Saaaatannnnnn and all that theatrical stuff.
But I truly expect more from liberals, I didn't expect them to pick up where the fundamentalists left off in tyool 2018. I mean, I should have figured they would - profits are profits at this point, and the 24-hour news cycle does not lend itself to any positive outcome. We as libs have replaced "Satan" with every ill we can possibly think of: "This is the end of ______ as we know it!" Is that productive? I don't think it is. I'm just really surprised - not at the hard left SJW/identity politics, because outliers always exist - but at the true middle of the road liberal. So many of us just have reverted to conservative tricks and it didn't work for them and it's not gonna work for us. So, RIP Democratic Party as we know it, I suppose.
That dbag representing the porn star is actually right: They need a dbag like him to run. Someone who will hit back instead of laughing dismissively and rolling their eyes. Taking the high road these days means losing - which is a fucking sad commentary about the United States of America. But it can also be reversed.
The main problem is that an elected body of representation is a broken idea because we are all immature. Trump's actually right that we need a dictator but we need a "benevolent" one and those two things are mutually exclusive. A societal parent. Someone to be like, "Fuck you, you fat shits, you drank too much soda and now you don't get any more for a while. You can have your freedom to drink soda back when you learn a little self control. That's how it works. Don't like it, have a cry. Your health is more important than being free to down 72 ounces of Coke in one sitting." And we'd also need a media who can ignore the bullies as they shout about how they should be able to put whatever they want into their bodies.
All of those things are anathema to a free society....... but maybe we don't deserve that any more? I feel dirty and awful saying/thinking that. But we do suck.
I disagree on the first part. The hate for Bush wasn’t near as severe before the invasion of Iraq. He earned his hate. Obama & Trump received hate day 1. Trump of course, took the low road and encouraged it.
I agree with the rest. It’s why I am the way I am. Hanging out with artists and watching the left turn into shallower arguments, closing off their tribe into increasing tighter circles. They adopted the methods and language white supremacists and religious fundamentalists have used for decades. It was disturbing.
IOO R.I.P. Dems 2018
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The jobs market has reached what should be some kind of inflection point: there are now more openings than there are workers.
April marked the second month in a row this historic event has occurred, and the gap is growing.
According to the monthly Job Openings and Labor Turnover Survey released Tuesday, there were just shy of 6.7 million open positions in April, the most recent month for which data are available. That represented an increase of 65,000 from March and is a record.
The number of vacancies is pulling well ahead of the number the Bureau of Labor Statistics counts as unemployed. This year is the first time the level of the unemployed exceeded the jobs available since the BLS started tracking JOLTS numbers in 2000.
Pruitt resigned.
A former Fox News exec & close friend of Sean Hannity, Bill Shine is now working for Trump as Deputy Chief of Staff for Communications.
Really a surprise. :rolleyes: He was accused of covering up for Roger Ailes' sexual harassment.
they say Trump is the master of projection, he really does need to take his own adviceQuote:
Trump's actually right...Someone to be like, "Fuck you, you fat shits, you drank too much soda and now you don't get any more for a while. You can have your freedom to drink soda back when you learn a little self control. That's how it works. Don't like it, have a cry. Your health is more important than being free to down 72 ounces of Coke in one sitting."
Hahaha, excuse me? It works amazingly for them. Across 80% of America's land mass there are restaurants that leave their TVs locked on Fox News, markets where conservative talk radio owns the airwaves without any ounce of representation from a liberal counterpoint, and that's spreading to local TV with this Sinclair business. Even driving in rural-adjacent places, it's not rare to see a bunch of InfoWars and fairtax.org bumper stickers proudly displayed. I ain't never seen a Rachel Maddow bumper sticker, hell I don't think I've ever seen a Daily Show one.
But you're right that the right's shallow provocation techniques don't work for liberals. There was a 60 Minutes interview of one of the big alt-right figureheads that was seeding a bunch of targeted fake news during the election not too long ago; They asked him why he kept poking at the conservative beehive for his stories, and he very plainly stated that he tried planting liberal ones just as much at the start, and they just didn't take. There's some dumb liberals, but generally they're not that dumb, even if it's a story we really want to believe, we're a suspicious lot that will generally run a sniff test on that stuff. Liberal-targeted fake news certainly exists but people fact check it and shoot it down and it flickers out quickly, it doesn't hang around to keep snowballing and snowballing. Any liberal attempt at a bombastic conspiracy theory like Pizzagate or Birtherism would die on the vine immediately. Whereas you serve the right a fake news story potted in a soil that's clearly made of broken glass and dog feces, and as long as it's got their favorite trigger words in there, somehow the fruit of perpetual office e-mail chains, national media coverage, and mainstream Republican acknowledgement still springs wildly forth.
Have you met bbobb & Joust, yet?
I mean, they're a broken record about Trump being a massive dipshit that keeps doing things that should have sent him down in flames a hundred times over by now, but... that ain't fake news.
This is a bad comparison. Trump was the one who said, "I respect people who don't get captured". He's the one who didn't release his taxes. He's the one that railed on Obama birtherism before his presidency.Quote:
He earned his hate. Obama & Trump received hate day 1.
The equivalency is terrible.
Both presidents received hate day 1. That's a fact. Who deserved the hate and didn't is another subjective point altogether.
But one earned his hate just like Bush. The other didn't unless you're a dumbass who "both sides" everything and can't see everything in degrees.
I mean, I think it works in the way that it creates a diversion that people latch onto, it creates personalities and media intrigue. The “liberal” media, say MSNBC, is 100% reactionary TO Fox News at this point. No need for a Rachel Maddow sticker when your network is a proxy for all the dumb shit Fox says. That’s what I mean isn’t working - it creates a vicious cycle of news - one network, which is owned by the same conglomerate as the other, attacking the original network and people are expected to choose sides. It’s the same message delivered by the same types of people, “other side is bad and here is why.” When I saw CNN drifting that way pre-election, it was so brazen and bullshit that I felt like I was in a carnival mirror: people actually watch this trash for “facts?”
CNN has been utterly bankrupt since the 'hologram incident'.
I normally don't. Honestly, I don't watch much non-sports TV unless I am visiting relatives (which I was this weekend) and they're watching it.
I just honestly think that if even after five minutes, you find Maddow to be "the same" as the talking heads on Fox then you either:
a) have the sound on mute
b) are lying to yourself
The proportion of facts alone is enough to make me believe this.
Wait, are you kidding? She’s the Glenn Beck of the left, or the closest approximation. It’s not gonna be long before she’s employing the chalk board of shame and drawing conclusions from one ridiculous point to the other. She is no more news than Fox is, seriously. She’s not Hannity or O’Reilly level sensational (yet), but if Trump makes it to a second term she will be naturally pushed there. These networks are complete jokes.
Someone in there (I lost the post) said something about liberals not being dumb and believing fake news. But even if they aren't falling for fake news, they're definitely buying into the false hope that MSNBC et. al are peddling with every reaction to Fox News. Comparison below.
I'm interested in the meaning here. Like somehow forcing Garland in?
You're comparing the content to what the "news" person is trying to make people infer, which is not the comparison you need to make. What you should focus on is the reaction to what the "news" person says.
- A conservative will hear a Fox News segment and its poor excuse for journalism/lack of facts/etc., disregard those flaws, and eat the whole package up. (They'll regurgitate it to anyone they please, too.)
- A liberal will hear an MSNBC segment and its reactionary/incendiary/etc. content, disregard those flaws, and slide a bead on their abacus for "Impeach 45."
In both situations, it's still cloying. It's still manipulative. The viewers are still mislead, even if the information is factual.
Why should I focus on the reaction to the news? One's largely fact-based and the other is total bullshit, that isn't my fault that one audience is pretty much solely dumbass clowns
Everything everywhere is manipulative, this isn't mathematics
I just don’t think you can have a 24 hour news network with out a healthy amount of spin. Every media outlet is manipulative n some way, that’s true. I mean, i listen to The Daily once a day, and watch about 10-15 mins of the local news if I’m curious about the weather and like, fires. I’m sure both of those outlets have some sort of spin as well but I interact with them very minimally. On networks especially meant for news, and news all day, there HAS to be hyperbole in order to contend with what people get on Facebook and other internet outlets. It’s gotta be loud, obnoxious, taking a stance. They wouldn’t have a product to sell otherwise.
I think I switched over into the Berenstain universe. Sats’ last dozen posts are things I would say and NPR this week went from it’s 2014-2017 era tumblr territory to making classically liberal arguments as seen here —> https://www.npr.org/2018/07/06/62666...ransgender-man
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Doc - full disclosure, NPR gets on my nerves sometimes. It's the least offensive to my senses, but I don't listen to it every day. I think my brain is a little fried from reading a ton of current sociological literature - stuff that lacks data and numbers (in news media) just sounds like reddit posts to me. It's like, oh, that's a nice opinion, but does it come with a follow up? Is there some sort of table or flow chart I can follow along with?
I need to find some other podcasts to listen to. I’m so burned out of politics and it’s crept into everything. And it’s not that politics don’t matter. It’s that every political argument is a personal attack or the assumption politics is a 0 sum game where every gain, takes from the other side. Which if that were the case, how would we ever progress beyond hunter-gather status? It would just be millennia after millennia of one generation taking a horde of food from another without ever coming together to build anything.
Obama did nominate Merrick Garland on 3/16/16, right after Scalia passed away in office. The Republican majority refused to vote on a new justice until the next presidency. The Republicans' move was a damn cheap shot, which paid off for them- since Trump would end up nominating Gorsuch. It's the art of the steal.
Honestly, I can only stand news-based podcasts for 20-30 minutes tops if its a very compelling story. The Daily is great for that, but I skip a lot of the Trump-cabinet episodes bc they are kind of boring. It's just vaguely non-partisan "this is what happened today." zzzz.
There's been a little mini-streak of opioid epidemic episodes, those were really good. This American Life is like a pretty good documentary every week. The 2-3 hour podcasts that people do are too much, I don't have that much free time.
I’m not a huge fan of watching the news and prefer to read. I enjoy BBC World News much more than any major American outlet but I try to mix up my sources. A downside to being off Facebook recently is missing such posts. I basically subscribe to any and everything and consume as much as I can, including ultra-conservative and other disgusting spins. It’s always good to hear as many perspectives as possible and when you involve yourself with those that are counter to your values, it helps you to understand better and know exactly what you’re dealing with. Too many political devotees have no idea who their “opposition” really is. I’ve always tried to stick with “if you can’t articulate your opponent’s standing in a way that makes sense to them, then you don’t belong engaging with them.” Unfortunately, when I do choose to engage with ideological bases that tend to run counter to my own, I often get called a dirty liberal and even sometimes a right-winger despite my lack of affiliation with any group or social/political ideology. It’s the whole “us versus them” mentality making things so difficult and until we learn to turn away from social grouping mechanisms in society and culture, our species will continue to miss out on our full potential.
Right, but Obama could’ve pushed Garland through as a recess appointment, and then the Senate would have had to pass a motion to remove him, which I think the Democrats could’ve filibustered. But we already know McConnell would’ve just nuked the filibuster and we’d be right back where we are.
No he couldn’t have. First of all he would have needed the senate to take a three day long recess which McConnell was purposely avoiding, and secondarily all they would need to do to terminate Garlands appointment is formally terminate the new senate session which again McConnell is free to do whenever he wants.
McConnell blatantly stole a seat and you’re actually eating the both sides bullshit they’re trying to feed you. That is the biggest problem today, this fucking lie that they have played up that both sides are the problem.
Cohen said that the "real truth" will help neither Trump nor Giuliani. Giuliani's asking Cohen to "tell the truth" about the Trump Tower meeting with Trump Jr. & Russian meddling, while adding "Everything has been a dead-end because there is nothing there". Sounds like Giuliani is the liar, just like a kid confronted about stealing the last of the cookies from the cabinet.
Trump's "America First" mantra is just bullshit. Jingo bells, jingo bells, jingo all the way. Oh, not fun it is to hear Trump say M-A-G-A. Hey!
Trump says the US is helping Thailand rescue the kids from the mine on the same day his administration says it won't meet a court-imposed deadline to reunite the children it separated from their families. Apparently, kids should only be returned to their parents in other countries.
Trump just likes children that could become future prostitutes and escorts to the wealthy.
Which plays back into their purity and virgin worship derived from them combining racism with religion.
Aside from favoring that sitting presidents not have to face civil suits or criminal investigations while in office, Trump's SCOTUS pick also favors NSA surveillance and ISPs blocking whatever websites they choose.
Fuck this guy.