Since posting in this thread is the thing to do, I guess I'll do it to.
Kind of like most Christians.
Oh yeah, me being Atheist, I'll have to vote for Science...
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Since posting in this thread is the thing to do, I guess I'll do it to.
Kind of like most Christians.
Oh yeah, me being Atheist, I'll have to vote for Science...
Yeah, you would read Lobo. :p
I'm a deist. For me, the science part works very nicely with the existance of God.
Things exist, therefore God exist(s/ed). Everything else is fun to wonder about and debate.
Reading is my specialty!
I've got nothin'...Quote:
Originally posted by Megatron
:p :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :p :o :) :sneak:
I know....
Place my vote in the God category
"Existsed" isn't a word. :pQuote:
Originally posted by YellerDog
Yeah, you would read Lobo. :p
I'm a deist. For me, the science part works very nicely with the existance of God.
Things exist, therefore God exists(ed). Everything else is fun to wonder about and debate.
I used to think about this a lot... But it all boils down to that you will never really know one way or another until you're dead, and that still depends on whether there is anything for you after death that would allow you to have have such a realization.
You're here, make the most of it while it lasts, and don't bother with questions that don't have answers you can't get your hands on. Any creator who loves you wouldn't toss you into damnation for doing that when he or she doesn't even have the nerve to stop in and say "Hi" once in a while to remove any and all doubt.
In closing, you'd probably be better off climbing a tree or throwing the ball for your dog than wasting your time with this type of thought. The only thing it does is show off yer leet dabating skills, but there are a host of other ways to do that where a resolution is possible.
And go hug your mom, wear sandals and smoke pot, too.
I'll quit being a hippie now.
And just say no.
I would like to humbly disagree, without kindling any kind of flame.Quote:
Originally posted by Orochi
But it all boils down to that you will never really know one way or another until you're dead...
Says youse! :DQuote:
Originally posted by Captain Vegetable
"Existsed" isn't a word. :p
Semi-fixed it.
Oh, no flame at all; and if I say anything that may seem like such in my reply, I promise you, I am seriously asking whatever question it is that might seem like sarcasm.
/disclaimer
I understand that you believe in something you accept as the answer, but how is it that you know? What I mean by "know" is proof beyond the shadow of a doubt.
I've seen things. People slain in the spirit, speaking in tounges, etc. I've experienced much of it first hand, too. At the time, I believed what I had seen and felt was real. As time went on, I took part in other things that I'm nowhere near proud of, but I got the same types of feelings from those episodes, too. I finally had to settle on the idea that if someone believes so much, and wants to feel something so badly, that the human mind could make such a feeling happen, and the person would act out in whatever way the situation called for as a result.
I'm not saying this is always the case, either. I'm not trying to prove OR disprove anything. My point is not "Because I went through things this way, this is the way it is. Final." My point is that if what I experienced has that much of a question mark on the end, then there is no way I could ever know for sure until I'm no longer breathing, and there's either a God or I'm nothing.
Any comments or elaboration from your side are more than welcome.
I appreciate this and will approach you as such. ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Orochi
Oh, no flame at all; and if I say anything that may seem like such in my reply, I promise you, I am seriously asking whatever question it is that might seem like sarcasm.
Proof beyond the shadow of any doubt, eh? I've heard the voice of God. And I know He exists. He has proven to me that He exists. This proof isn't any kind of proof I could document, or show to someone else to turn them to Christianity, however, you didn't ask me to prove it to you, you simply asked for proof. So, there you have it.Quote:
I understand that you believe in something you accept as the answer, but how is it that you know? What I mean by "know" is proof beyond the shadow of a doubt.
He has proven Himself to me.
I have experienced these things as well and must say that they are not Biblical, at least as they are practiced today. I would phrase it exactly as you have. If someone wants to feel something so much, and believe in something so much, that they are bound to do things that "prove" their beliefs. Speaking in "tongues" or being "slain" in the Spirit.Quote:
I've seen things. People slain in the spirit, speaking in tounges, etc. I've experienced much of it first hand, too. At the time, I believed what I had seen and felt was real. As time went on, I took part in other things that I'm nowhere near proud of, but I got the same types of feelings from those episodes, too. I finally had to settle on the idea that if someone believes so much, and wants to feel something so badly, that the human mind could make such a feeling happen, and the person would act out in whatever way the situation called for as a result.
Concerning these: Tongues is referenced in the Bible all throughout acts and into the letters, but they are always of an intelligable human language. Not these "utterances" that evangelical churches have wrongfully perverted it into. It's also nearly condescended by Paul in his writings, saying that should a non believer walk into your midst and see you speaking in tongues, he'll think you all to be crazy. Paul goes on to say that tongues is to be done no more than three times per service (a comand flagrantly ignored by most practitionars of the gift), and must, must, MUST be followed imediatly by an interpretation. Any tongues not followed by an interpretation are false.
There is evedence in the Bible of "utterances," i.e. an unintelligable language; however, it is identified as "Prayer Language." A private language, Paul writes, that no one, not even the speaker knows what is being said, as it is your spirit communicating directly to God. As such, there is no interpretation, as no human ear can understand it.
And being "slain" in the Spirit is located nowhere in the Bible. I'd challenge anyone to find it. There are situations whereby people confronted by God are rendered paralysed, "forced" to their faces, and collapse due to fear, but none of these contain the circumstance purported in being slain in the Spirit.
Orochi: You assume that God intends an afterlife. You can be certian of gods exisitance depending on your definition of God. Before dying even.
ºTracer
Did you fuck a goat? :blank:Quote:
Originally posted by Orochi
As time went on, I took part in other things that I'm nowhere near proud of, but I got the same types of feelings from those episodes, too.
All I know is I stopped believing in God, started reading lots about new physics then started believing in God again, now whether jesus or muhammed is the way, i could give a damn, I think its super selfish and arrogant to think that we as men can EVEN BEGIN TO THINK LIKE THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE and have the balls to tell other people they are wrong when neither faith choice can be proven either way. Science is actually what proved to me that there is a God, not some two bit ass wipe preacher, some idiot hollywood guru or some rich boy coke head who found Christ and gave up all his money to open a church at the local high school gym...gimme a break.
As far as saying, "well I felt it, i know its real or I spoke in tongues," etc...dont underestimate the power of the human mind.
And if the creator of this universe is the same childish asshole god of the old testament I'd rather not be associated with him.
For all we know that could be the devil.
My mom speaks in toungues, and I've seen many other people do so as well. At what I would call a small group, the leader asked me if I would mind if the guest would pray for the youth (Myself and 2 other guys). I thought sure, why not. So first he prayed for the 2 other guys, then he got to me, and put his hands on me. After a minute or so of him praying over me, I collapsed. It was an incredibly strange feeling like someone was pulling me down. But nobody was sitting behind me, and apparently nobody touched me other than the guest. I'm still not sure exactly what happened. Oh, and my vote goes to God as well :)
I can speak in tounges too... It's not hard.
I dont know if you're saying this, but Im just covering my bases: its quite arrogant of you to think that what CV experienced is just a product of his own mind or whatever. I know stuff has happened to me, in my physical life, that has made me wonder about God. There have been things that have happened to me that have been way too... out there for it to be a mere coincidence or chance happening.Quote:
Originally posted by elBeardoAlwaysWins
As far as saying, "well I felt it, i know its real or I spoke in tongues," etc...dont underestimate the power of the human mind.
Whether its reading a science book or seeing something happen or anything, if God's existence is proven to someone, then it really doesn't matter how it happened - all that it matters is that it happened.
I've seen globes of light in the night and a ghost of my father who is not dead a couple of times, now this proves TO ME that there IS SOMETHING ELSE OUT THERE, but as far as speaking tongues is concerned it comes down to possesion and if you have to be possesed to be convinced of Jesus...what kind of faith is that, i rather not have that faith, sounds more like something good ol Satan would do...
if there is one...
You don't say? you might find this interesting. look around, see if you can find there opinion of the old testamentQuote:
Originally posted by elBeardoAlwaysWins
For all we know that could be the devil.
http://www.gnosis.org/welcome.html
What would be the devils greatest trick , fooling the whole world, Jews, Christians, Muslims into thinking he was god, makes sense to me....
=)
That tricky ol' devil.
that ni'uhh.
(i wish i believed the devil existed. that sounds fun.)
makes things more interesting, how great would god be without a devil....
look at the URL, it's a religion that believes what you just said, and its Christain, very old old christian.
I bet the devil wrote that shit. *glares at the devil*
sounds more like Xenosaga than religion.Quote:
from gnosis.org
GNOSTICISM ...blah...Gnosis...blah... Gnosticism.... blah blah.... Gnostic...
so maybe the devil did write it.
o_O
-_' why do I bother
Tracer, you ever read or seen the "the power of Myth" ?
its a labor of love, thats why. ;)Quote:
Originally posted by IronPlant
-_' why do I bother
I said I read Jopseph Cambell didn't I? Yeah I read it.Quote:
Originally posted by IronPlant
-_' why do I bother
Tracer, you ever read or seen the "the power of Myth" ?
You're wrong. Gnosistics aren't Christians at all, but heretics. That is, they take basic Christian doctrine and pervert it to satisfy their views.Quote:
Originally posted by IronPlant
look at the URL, it's a religion that believes what you just said, and its Christain, very old old christian.
The Bible speaks out, heavily, in the writings of Paul, concerning Gnosticism.
It is inacurate to call something/one "Christian" when they, in fact, are not.
You want proof?
and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
-1 John 4:3 (NKJV)
Gnostics do not believe Jesus Christ came in the flesh, because everything of the flesh (read: matterial genesis) is evil.
That would make them antichrists, according to the Bible. Not Christians.
Every Christian group can say that about the other, and they can prove it with bible quotes to. You ever seen two people of strong faith from two different types of Christanity argue?Quote:
Originally posted by Captain Vegetable
You're wrong. Gnosistics aren't Christians at all, but heretics. That is, they take basic Christian doctrine and pervert it to satisfy their views.
um yeah, thats why I asked.Quote:
Originally posted by Tracer
I said I read Jopseph Cambell didn't I? Yeah I read it.
No they cannot. Prove to me that free will does not exist by using the Bible. Go on...I'm waiting. All you can do is prove to me that predestination exists, not that free will does not. Proving you're side right is far from proving the other wrong.Quote:
Originally posted by IronPlant
Every Christian group can say that about the other, and they can prove it with bible quotes to.
Gnostics, however, are expressly and implicitly proved wrong beyond the shadow of any doubt in the Bible.
You obviously have little experience with Gnostic doctrine outside of the website you just listed.Quote:
You ever seen two people of strong faith from two different types of Christanity argue?
As a matter of fact, I have witnessed two people from two different facits of Christianity argue before. Know what that tells me? They're still too young in their convictions.
If someone is arguing for free will over predestination (or vise versa), they've obviously read through their Bible selectively rather than objectively. The Bible makes a case for both beliefs, therefore both must be true. It's juvenile to choose a side simply because you like it better.
P.S. You seem to be fighting a losing battle.
was that post supose to be you snupping your nose as me, or helpful?
Maybe I don't wanna prove free will does not exist, maybe I wanna go play some games, or stick my head in the freezer.
Way to answer my assertions. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by IronPlant
was that post supose to be you snupping your nose as me, or helpful?
Is this a debate, or not? Are you going to defend your possition, or concede? Chainging the subject is as good as a concession as far as I'm concerned...unless you'd like to pick it up and try again.
I was not "snupping" my nose at you. I tend to argue authoritatively concerning all matters wherein the Bible is involved. And, it would seem as though you are fighting a losing battle, substanciated by you chainging the subject rather than addressing my claims.
It was an observation. Not an attack.
Fair enough.Quote:
Originally posted by IronPlant
Maybe I don't wanna prove free will does not exist, maybe I wanna go play some games, or stick my head in the freezer.
My spelling is horrible...
Debate? shit, the guy made a comment about maybe the devil was the old testament god, it reminded me of that religion, I posted url. I have no plans of trying to prove that religion, just putting something out there in regards to that earlier comment. You want to argue with a Gnosis, go find one. You won't find one here.
Our debate was whether or not Gnostics are Christians...remember? ;)Quote:
Originally posted by IronPlant
Debate? shit, the guy made a comment about maybe the devil was the old testament god, it reminded me of that religion, I posted url. I have no plans of trying to prove that religion, just putting something out there in regards to that earlier comment. You want to argue with a Gnosis, go find one. You won't find one here.
You said they were, I said they weren't, a debate ensued.
And I'll agree. Likening the God of the OT to the "Userper God" of Gnosticism is a common comparison drawn among Gnostic circles, so much so that if someone supposed Lucifer was the God of the OT, it would warrent a Gnostic application.
But they're still not Christians.
Simply because they take from the Bible doesn't mean they're Christians. Jehovah's Witnesses take from the Bible and aren't Christians...HELL! Practitioners of Voodoo borrow from Catholic tradition! That still doesn't make them Catholic.
They are a old jesus baised relgion that was started during the early parts of Christanity, make what you will of that fact. I'm not going to nitpick with you two religions that both believe in God and Jesus but regard different books and material as holy. If you want to go do that, fine, im sure there is a Jew or a Muslim out there you can argue with about how wrong their relgious material is.
You're all totally wrong. Just my take on it. :D
Doesn't mean you're not right at the same time.
Again, your limited knowledge concerning Gnostics and their doctrine is evidenced.Quote:
Originally posted by IronPlant
They are a old jesus baised relgion that was started during the early parts of Christanity,
This is far from the truth. Gnostics didn't begin whith Jesus. They "fit him in" as an after thought.
Gnostics do not believe in Jesus as the Bible describes Him. They are not Christians.Quote:
I'm not going to nitpick with you two religions that both believe in God and Jesus but regard different books and material as holy.
The Bible makes a case for lots of things including genocide, fratracide, spousal abuse, ufo abduction, angels mating wih humans, artificial insemination, drug abuse.....take your fuckin pick guy.Quote:
Originally posted by Captain Vegetable
The Bible makes a case for both beliefs, therefore both must be true.
And who is justified in judging who is Christian or not, I never heard Jesus mutter anything about starting an exclusive reigion....he said spread my gospel, meaning his philosophy, not start a fucking religion of persecution, his whole point was organized Judaism was lame in the first place, so what do the dumbass apostles do, start a fucking exclusive religion, causing more war, pain, suffering, etc...how lame.
Show me where these occur in the Bible, and I'll show you how wrong you will never admit to being.Quote:
Originally posted by elBeardoAlwaysWins
The Bible makes a case for lots of things including genocide, fratracide, spousal abuse, ufo abduction, angels mating wih humans, artificial insemination, drug abuse.....take your fuckin pick guy.
Your knowledge is found wanting. Jesus said NO ONE gets to the Father but through Himself.Quote:
And who is justified in judging who is Christian or not, I never heard Jesus mutter anything about starting an exclusive reigion....he said spread my gospel, meaning his philosophy, not start a fucking religion of persecution,
If that isn't an exclusive statement, then I don't know what is. Read you Bible before you make assanine claims such as this. It'd do you well to research, as you're dealing with a Reverend. I know my stuff.
You misunderstand the motivations and desires of both Jesus and His apostles. Quite frankly, it's disheartening.Quote:
his whole point was organized Judaism was lame in the first place, so what do the dumbass apostles do, start a fucking exclusive religion, causing more war, pain, suffering, etc...how lame.
And your history is off, too.
My brother in law is a minister and hes a brainwashed dumb ass who only sees the Bible the way he wants to, why should i expect you to be any different.
Veg when are you going to shut up? there is no argument here.
Jesus said the kingdom of heaven is in all of us, hence i dont need to go to church and listen to someone elses interpretation of what Jesus said....for all I know they could be completely wrong.
Honestly? You shouldn't. And I might go out on a limb and and say "you can't."Quote:
Originally posted by elBeardoAlwaysWins
My brother in law is a minister and hes a brainwashed dumb ass who only sees the Bible the way he wants to, why should i expect you to be any different.
Verses man, verses! Bust out a Bible, or here, I'll make it easy on you. Go to www.blueletterbible.org and look your verses up by phrase. Post them and I'll address them.Quote:
Originally posted by elBeardoAlwaysWins
Jesus said the kingdom of heaven is in all of us, hence i dont need to go to church and listen to someone elses interpretation of what Jesus said....for all I know they could be completely wrong.
Whatever, man. Consider me "shutted up."Quote:
Originally posted by IronPlant
Veg when are you going to shut up? there is no argument here.
infantacide:
"On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn--both men and animals--and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD." (Exodus 12:12)
"At midnight the LORD struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well. Pharaoh and all his officials and all the Egyptians got up during the night, and there was loud wailing in Egypt, for there was not a house without someone dead." (Exodus 12:29)__
rape and pilage:
1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 "Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites. After that, you will be gathered to your people." 5 So twelve thousand men armed for battle, a thousand from each tribe, were supplied from the clans of Israel. 7 They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man. 9 The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. 10 They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps. 11 They took all the plunder and spoils, including the people and animals, 13 Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp. 14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army--the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds--who returned from the battle. 15 "Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them. 16 "They were the ones who followed Balaam's advice and were the means of turning the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD's people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."
(Numbers 31)
more slaughter:
And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem....let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women...."
(Ezekiel 9: 4-6)
vengance:
Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy [1] everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, childrem and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'"
(I Samuel 15:2-3)
abortion:
"The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open."
(Hosea 13:16)
discipling your kids:
18 If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him,
19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town.20 They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate* and a drunkard."21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.
*completely given up to dissipation and licentiousness; wildly extravagant.(Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary) (Deuteronomy 21:18-21 NIV)
The ancient Hebrews. . . in their sacred writings . . . attributed many of the massacres they committed to orders or commands from Yahweh. Probably some of these massacres happened, and no doubt the ancient Hebrews who committed them thought that they were obeying their god Yahweh. Reality, however, is that no god had anything to do with the atrocities committed by ancient, barbaric people. The tragedy is that there are millions of Christians who believe that these massacres happened just as the Bible says, and so they think that God ordered the killing of children and babies. They lean over backwards . . . to try to explain why an all-merciful God would have ordered the killing of children. So the problem is not what ancient people said in the writings they left behind in highly superstitious times; the problem is the people in our enlightened times who are still so shackled to superstition that they believe the ancient ones were writing inerrant truths.
in regards to jesus:
According to the Bible, Jesus Christ said he would return in the generation in which he lived. He said the sign of the Son of Man would appear in heaven. He said all the tribes of Israel would mourn. He said the tribes would see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. He said he would send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet. The angels were to gather the "elect" from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. All of these things were to have happened in his generation. They didn't happen.
Jesus did not return as he said he would. He did not return as his disciples believed and preached that he would. Jesus didn't come in the disciples generation. He didn't come in any generation. The disciples all died. Jesus' promise was broken. The disciples believed and lived a false hope.
Jesus didn't come then and he isn't coming in the future. Those who cling to the broken promise and false hope of his return will be just as disappointed as the disciples who died looking in vain for the second coming of their Christ.
He isn't coming again.
If anything he was a political/social revolutionary of his time.
Religion is a hobby just like golf or masturbating. Whether or not there is a "higher power" I may never know, but I have faith that my life was created by something more spectacular than sperm and an egg. However I am currently searching for a place to live and that seems utterly more important than the age old science - faith debate, for centuries it's been a matter of picking up clubs and seeing who hits harder.
That child is lucky. Until the Kawasaki tips over and he drowns of course....The Story of Job, Modern day and all!
Pardon me not making good on my word, but I know any attempt I make at explaining those verses would be lost.
First, you must realize that you cannot interpret the Bible. Only the Spirit of God can...which is a spirit you clearly do not possess.
Second, you must take into account that I do not believe because I thought it sounded like a good idea, or because I want some kind of crutch in thinking there's an afterlife wherein I'll exist eternally in some illconcieved "paradise." I believe because God, that's Jesus Christ, has proven Himself to me.
No bit of argument can convey this thought to you. And I have no documentation or hard proof to offer to make you see things the way I do.
All I can do is tell you that I believe, and that I know I'm right, as it has been proven to me...He has been proven to me.
I realize your initial reaction was due to my assertion, or "arrogance," in saying that Gnostics are wrong. Or any other sect for that matter. And this I can respect. But you must have explained where it is I'm coming from. I'm not calling them heretics because I want to believe I'm right, and so any infringement on what I believe must be squashed and squeltched. Which is what you can only see, as evedenced by your reaction. I'm saying it because I know they are wrong, as God has proven it to me. I cannot demonstrate this to you, nor will I attempt it. What I will do is sit comfortable in the knowledge that I feel I have explained myself suficiently to you, and will accept any judgement or labeling you would subject me to as a result. If this makes me arrogant, short-sighted, brain-washed, or blinded in you eyes, so be it.
And like those two, it can also become a profitable career. :DQuote:
Originally posted by Koyaanisqatsi
Religion is a hobby just like golf or masturbating.
I like Captian Vegetable. :)
Thanks. :)Quote:
Originally posted by Rich
I like Captian Vegetable. :)
I like you too.
But...uh, why do you like me?
oh, im not worthy of your god. =(Quote:
Originally posted by Captain Vegetable
First, you must realize that you cannot interpret the Bible. Only the Spirit of God can...which is a spirit you clearly do not possess.
you do not know my spirit sir,.
I know it isn't of Jesus Christ. You've stated that yourself.Quote:
Originally posted by elBeardoAlwaysWins
oh, im not worthy of your god. =(
you do not know my spirit sir,.
I can interpret the Bible just as you can my friend. dont give me that copout bullshit you condenscending ass.
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Originally posted by Captain Vegetable
Verses man, verses! Bust out a Bible, or here, I'll make it easy on you. Go to www.blueletterbible.org and look your verses up by phrase. Post them and I'll address them.
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Originally posted by Captain Vegetable
Verses man, verses! Bust out a Bible, or here, I'll make it easy on you. Go to www.blueletterbible.org and look your verses up by phrase. Post them and I'll address them.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Captain VegetableQuote:
Originally posted by Captain Vegetable
Verses man, verses! Bust out a Bible, or here, I'll make it easy on you. Go to www.blueletterbible.org and look your verses up by phrase. Post them and I'll address them.
Verses man, verses! Bust out a Bible, or here, I'll make it easy on you. Go to www.blueletterbible.org and look your verses up by phrase. Post them and I'll address them.
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Originally posted by Captain Vegetable
Verses man, verses! Bust out a Bible, or here, I'll make it easy on you. Go to www.blueletterbible.org and look your verses up by phrase. Post them and I'll address them.
Quote:
Originally posted by Captain Vegetable
Verses man, verses! Bust out a Bible, or here, I'll make it easy on you. Go to www.blueletterbible.org and look your verses up by phrase. Post them and I'll address them.
Quote:
Originally posted by Captain Vegetable
Verses man, verses! Bust out a Bible, or here, I'll make it easy on you. Go to www.blueletterbible.org and look your verses up by phrase. Post them and I'll address them.
Quote:
Originally posted by Captain Vegetable
Verses man, verses! Bust out a Bible, or here, I'll make it easy on you. Go to www.blueletterbible.org and look your verses up by phrase. Post them and I'll address them.
It isn't a cop-out. It's written in the Bible itself. So, even the book you seek to interpret says you, yourself, cannot. Need a verse?Quote:
Originally posted by elBeardoAlwaysWins
I can interpret the Bible just as you can my friend. dont give me that copout bullshit you condenscending ass.
On second thought, find it yourself. I'm done with keep on keepin' on.
And what's with all that mess of quotes?
Now your running illogical circle arguments....forget it dude you have no excuse for your god Yaweh, except that he only loved jews back then and jesus cam along to save the rest of us and now everything is different, your the same as the rest of the hypocrites, ive heard it all before, dont bother. god bless.
And the mess of quotes...... what do you think, i found a bunch of verses and back when you were friendly you offered to give me an interpretation.....
Don't bother with what? You're the one who's not getting it...
Quote:
Originally posted by elBeardoAlwaysWins
Now your running illogical circle arguments....forget it dude you have no excuse for your god Yaweh, except that he only loved jews back then and jesus cam along to save the rest of us and now everything is different, your the same as the rest of the hypocrites, ive heard it all before, dont bother. god bless.
And the mess of quotes...... what do you think, i found a bunch of verses and back when you were friendly you offered to give me an interpretation.....
Back when I was friendly? Dude, look, I'm sorry if what I said offended you. That was not my aim.Quote:
Originally posted by elBeardoAlwaysWins
And the mess of quotes...... what do you think, i found a bunch of verses and back when you were friendly you offered to give me an interpretation.....
Re-reading it I can see how it came off. Please, accept my apology. Let's walk away from this friends, as an enemy is the very last thing I need. I didn't mean to talk down to you, and I didn't mean to point my finger. I apologise.
Thanks dude, thats cool of you. No offense taken. See thats the 'tude that opens people up to the Way.... ; -)
Smart ass... ;)Quote:
Originally posted by elBeardoAlwaysWins
Thanks dude, thats cool of you. No offense taken. See thats the 'tude that opens people up to the Way.... ; -)
Because I know what you're talking about, and I'm probably one of the few on the boards who does, so it's cool to see people try to argue it without such an extensive knowledge of the Bible. Granted your knowledge is far beyond mine, I can stand my own when it comes to Bible studies.Quote:
Originally posted by Captain
But...uh, why do you like me?
Oh! So that would make you a Christian, then?! News to me! :DQuote:
Originally posted by Rich
Because I know what you're talking about, and I'm probably one of the few on the boards who does, so it's cool to see people try to argue it without such an extensive knowledge of the Bible. Granted your knowledge is far beyond mine, I can stand my own when it comes to Bible studies.
Nice to hear it. :D
And thanks for knowing what I'm talking about. It makes me feel not so crazy and alone. ;)
CV: You seem pretty devoted to Christianity, so I'm just wondering where this loyalty and devotion stems from.
He's a reverend...or something of the like. Also, God has shown himself to CV. Read the thread. :D :D
Anyways, I'm sort of a Christain. I'm not really a practicing Christain. I'm still learning the religion, and will be until I graduate HS. (2 years left; Catholic HS) I don't go to Church, I don't take the Eucharist seriously when I do, and stuff like that. However, I do believe the main points, so I would consider myself Christain obove any thing else. I guess you can say I'm a deist who believes that Jesus Christ was in fact God. On the note of the Eucharist, the Bible says that It is the body, soul, and divinity of Christ, and it's not symbolic of the body and blood, but it's actually is physically the body and blood. Well, I consider that a load of BS. :) I make a point to pray every night, as well as minor things such as not eating meat on fridays during Lent. (All though I did this Friday, and regret it) I just can't take everything said in the Bible for fact, especially the Gospels.
I've read the thread. I know about that stuff. That doesn't answer the question though.
Your devotion to Christianity doesn't stem from being a Reverand. Something would have to come first. Duh!
God proving himself to CV? If God appeared to me, you can be damn straight I'd be devoted.
I've heard the very voice of Jesus. What he had to say was a very simple answer to a question I had been pondering, yet in His answer, much faith and conviction was granted to me.Quote:
Originally posted by OmniGear
CV: You seem pretty devoted to Christianity, so I'm just wondering where this loyalty and devotion stems from.
I have experiences on a daily basis that speak toward Jesus Christ being my God a savior, as well as a real man, now seated at the right hand of the Father.
Again I'll say, I'm not a Christian because it sounded like a good idea or because I need to believe in something after we die, but because Jesus has proven His existence to me. I cannot show this to anyone else, and I cannot make anyone else a believer as a result, but I know Jesus is God, and my loving savior.
Ugh, I know God "proved" himself to CV, but that has nothing to do with Christianity, unless he said something specific relating to it.
Just let the man answer the question!
As you were saying? :p
Sounds to me like you're not "Catholic." But you are most certainly Christian. As evedenced here:Quote:
Originally posted by Rich
Anyways, I'm sort of a Christain. I'm not really a practicing Christain. I'm still learning the religion, and will be until I graduate HS. (2 years left; Catholic HS) I don't go to Church, I don't take the Eucharist seriously when I do, and stuff like that.
This is all that matters. ;)Quote:
I guess you can say I'm a deist who believes that Jesus Christ was in fact God.
Not everything contained in the Bible is fact, and errors abound. But it's not a matter of reading the Bible and believing in God. It's about faith. The Bible can foster, bolster, lend itself to, and magnify faith, but it's all about faith in the end.Quote:
On the note of the Eucharist, the Bible says that It is the body, soul, and divinity of Christ, and it's not symbolic of the body and blood, but it's actually is physically the body and blood. Well, I consider that a load of BS. :) I make a point to pray every night, as well as minor things such as not eating meat on fridays during Lent. (All though I did this Friday, and regret it) I just can't take everything said in the Bible for fact, especially the Gospels.
Good enough for me.Quote:
Originally posted by Captain Vegetable
I've heard the very voice of Jesus. What he had to say was a very simple answer to a question I had been pondering, yet in His answer, much faith and conviction was granted to me.
I have experiences on a daily basis that speak toward Jesus Christ being my God a savior, as well as a real man, now seated at the right hand of the Father.
Again I'll say, I'm not a Christian because it sounded like a good idea or because I need to believe in something after we die, but because Jesus has proven His existence to me. I cannot show this to anyone else, and I cannot make anyone else a believe as a result, but I know Jesus is God, and my loving savior.
I just don't like when kids are simply taught Christianity and believe in it based on that. It's certainly not how religion should be. Which is one reason why I don't like religious "schools."
But if He showed himself to you and whatnot, then I suppose there's not arguing with that. :)
;)Quote:
Originally posted by OmniGear
Good enough for me.
I just don't like when kids are simply taught Christianity and believe in it based on that. It's certainly not how religion should be. Which is one reason why I don't like religious "schools."
But if He showed himself to you and whatnot, then I suppose there's not arguing with that. :)
If you have any other questions, let me know.
Hmm, you know, I've always just considered Catholicism and Christianity almost the same, and never went into it more than that. You do make a good point.. :)Quote:
Originally posted by Captain Vegetable
Sounds to me like you're not "Catholic." But you are most certainly Christian.
Omni, you know my school's like that, and you know I don't like how they just throw it at you and tell you to believe. But you know me well enough to know that I don't care what they say, and I form my own beliefs. Besides, religion is like that, let alone a school, it's really only up to you in the end to form your own beliefs. :)
For the records, Omnigear doesn't believe in Christ...GET HIM! FORCE HIM TO BELIEVE!! :lol:
It's like this: All Catholics are Christians, but not all Christians are Catholics. ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Rich
Hmm, you know, I've always just considered Catholicism and Christianity almost the same, and never went into it more than that. You do make a good point.. :)
One more question: would a modern day Jesus watch football and drink beer?
I'll bring the fire!!!Quote:
Originally posted by Rich
For the records, Omnigear doesn't believe in Christ...GET HIM! FORCE HIM TO BELIEVE!! :lol:
Well that I knew, but I never went into what differentiates a Catholic from a Christain. :)Quote:
Originally posted by Captain Vegetable
It's like this: All Catholics are Christians, but not all Christians are Catholics. ;)
You bring the fire, I'll bring the stakes.
Omni, he'd eat chips, too.
I honestly don't know. I don't think he'd have a problem with it, if that's what you're asking.Quote:
Originally posted by OmniGear
One more question: would a modern day Jesus watch football and drink beer?
I enjoy thinking that if Jesus were here right now, He'd be a l33t h4x0r. ;)
There's just different branches of Christianity, Catholocism being one of them. Going into all the different branches would be boring though. :pQuote:
Originally posted by Rich
Well that I knew, but I never went into what differentiates a Catholic from a Christain. :)
He'd hax like the dude from Antitrust.
I could do it if you want...really, I could. ;)Quote:
Originally posted by OmniGear
Going into all the different branches would be boring though. :p
I'm sure he wouldn't have a problem with it. He seems like a cool guy. But I think he'd root for the Cowboys, and that's just not right.Quote:
Originally posted by Captain Vegetable
I honestly don't know. I don't think he'd have a problem with it, if that's what you're asking.
I hear Jesus is designing the PS3 as we speak...Quote:
Originally posted by Captain Vegetable
I enjoy thinking that if Jesus were here right now, He'd be a l33t h4x0r. ;)
ill hop in here, in moderation, he probably would, he was human, but, at the risk of projecting my superego onto him, i think he would be a chronic workaholic who would be be more active in homeless shelters and clinics, tending to the poor and weak. he would probably be tivo'ing the gmaes and doing the designated driver thing about beer.:DQuote:
Originally posted by OmniGear
One more question: would a modern day Jesus watch football and drink beer?
that woudl be a cruel twist of irony, even if jesus programmed on it, i still would dislike the playstations:D I dont know though, jesus resisted the offers of wealth from the devil, so he probably would not work for sony.:lol:Quote:
Originally posted by OmniGear
I hear Jesus is designing the PS3 as we speak...
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!Quote:
Originally posted by OmniGear
I'm sure he wouldn't have a problem with it. He seems like a cool guy. But I think he'd root for the Cowboys, and that's just not right.
He's doing the whole thing out of his basement. This whole "Sony" thing is just a cover-up.Quote:
Originally posted by frostwolf ex
that woudl be a cruel twist of irony, even if jesus programmed on it, i still would dislike the playstations:D I dont know though, jesus resisted the offers of wealth from the devil, so he probably would not work for sony.:lol:
Think about it: people would think that Jesus is trying to spread his religion on them by releasing a console, when he really just wants to create some great hardware that can play great games. So to make it all look legit, he got some Japanese hardware manufacture to handle all the PR and advertising. He's a sly cat, alright. You can't put one by Jesus.
It all goes back to his undying love for video games. I can totally see him playing pen-and-paper RPGs with the Apostles.
sadly i can see that, i see judas messing with the dice on a saving throw roll. actually it would look like an average pnp game, 13 guys with beards,and no women in sight:lol:
:lol: Good point.Quote:
Originally posted by frostwolf ex
sadly i can see that, i see judas messing with the dice on a saving throw roll. actually it would look like an average pnp game, 13 guys with beards,and no women in sight:lol: