Question about Street Fighter III: Third Strike

This finally arrived at my door today from Capcom.com (only took them two weeks :rolleyes: ). Within seconds of navigating the main menu, I found myself cringing at the soundtrack, which was nearly vomit-inducing to me at the character selection screen. My question...

Was the music changed for the US release? I'm assuming so.

Cool game, though. I like the step down in complexity from the Alpha series. Too bad I can't play Street Fighter worth a shit with that Dreamcast controller. *scowls* Anyway, my personal conflicts with the genre of music in SF3TS' soundtrack has already pushed me to want to dump this game and get the import instead (only if the music is different). Oh well, I guess I can always play with the music off.

The music is the same. Relax.

Um... okay. What about SF3 Double Impact? Does that have more respectable BGM?

I don't mind the Third Strike music. I am not the one to ask.

Third Strike is a much better game however... just turn the volume down, and play your own music. Or just deal with it.

I actually liked the music in third strike.

Me too...better than that horrible MvC2 music. "Gonna take you for a rah-ah-ide!" *shudder*

I liked the soundtrack as well. Hence why I also own the US soundtrack (though I wish we got a CD collection with all the mixes instead of one of each).

As for DI, the music is more... respectable, I suppose, in its pure and utter typicality. Boy, they finally decide to try something new and give people specific styles of music and they get lambasted for it (or so it seems on the web, everyone I know in RL that plays enjoys the music). Of course, I found MvC2's music hysterically good compared to how it worked with the action, so take that as you will.

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Originally posted by OmegaFlareX
I like the step down in complexity from the Alpha series.

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Huh?

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Originally posted by MechDeus
Huh?

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SF3 is a more "pure" engine for the most part. Alpha has isms, VCs, guard breaks, air blocking, alpha counters, on and on.

SF3 mostly just has parrying. Red parrying, dashing, universal overheads and such are all pretty minor little tweaks. Although UOHs were pretty friggin broken in 2i.

Too bad parrying ruined SF3*. No position game, no footsie, no projectile pressure, nothing. And when people get to the point of parrying entire supers (which isn't that hard really), it just becomes ridiculous. Don't even get me started on character balance...

*I'm mostly talking about SF3 and 2i, my 3s exposure was very minimal.

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Alpha has isms

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One must pick from the Supers in SFIII, similar effect which also requires knowledge of what each Super does, as opposed to the apply-to-all Isms.

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guard breaks

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Dizzy meter.

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air blocking

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Air parrying, which is more difficult to boot. Although I do lament the loss of two-type air parrying from 2I to TS (there's only one kind in TS).

You also left out SFIII has Kara Throws (your missing footsie game), reactions from taunts, and regulates throws (no more accidental throws/reverals). It is beautiful in simplicity, but I would hardly call it lower complexity then Alpha.

I also hated projectile pressure ("Whee! I can stand at the other end of the screen and do fireball over and over! Aren't I skilled?") and much prefer the projectiles in either useful situations around other moves or in combos. I also can't think of any other fighting game that balances characters better (aside from VF4). Hugo and Yun/Yang have their problems (and Elena is very much parry-bait), but nothing that can't be dealt with.

*reads*

Mech, we must play one day :evil:

Once someone emulates CPS3 (or whatever the hell 3rd strike is on) we can all play each other.

Unless emulation makes your pussy hurt... then you will have to sit at home and cry.

Did I mention that I love Kawaks?

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Originally posted by MechDeus
One must pick from the Supers in SFIII, similar effect which also requires knowledge of what each Super does, as opposed to the apply-to-all Isms.

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But that's all that changes, the super. On top of that, most characters have one super that is clearly the one to go with. So unless you're just messing around, the super choice becomes void.

Isms completely alter the character. Different super meters, different damage ratios, different dizzy meters, different moves (compare X Chun to A and V Chun), air blocking available or not, whether you get supers or not. Many differences. Which Isms maximized a character was hotly debated and experimented with for a long time, which super maximized a character in SF3 was practically figured out immediately.

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Air parrying, which is more difficult to boot.

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Parrying is intimidating at first but not that difficult. Once you get the hang of it they become total second nature. Air parrying can net you an advantage (better positioning and super meter) for little risk. Jumping in SF should be risky.

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It is beautiful in simplicity, but I would hardly call it lower complexity then Alpha.

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SFA3 is an overly complex fighter. Too complex IMO. Saying SF3 is "simpler" is not an insult. It's not SF3's simplicity that ruined it (that was a boon if anything), it was the parrying.

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I also hated projectile pressure ("Whee! I can stand at the other end of the screen and do fireball over and over! Aren't I skilled?")

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But that would get you killed instantly against anyone who was good. Projectiles in the hands of a good player means space control. The game can and must be fought at all distances, and moving through the various ranges requires you to know what you're doing. Something like Zangief vs Dhalsim is an interesting fight because Dhalsim can control distance better than Gief, but Gief's got the inside game.

All that is lost in SF3. Someone throws a projectile, parry, thank them for the super meter, and depending on the spacing possibly hit them before they recover because you're not in block stun. If not just keep on moving in.

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I also can't think of any other fighting game that balances characters better. Hugo and Yun/Yang have their problems (and Elena is very much parry-bait), but nothing that can't be dealt with.

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This I definitely take issue with. In 2i, Ibuki is an absolute monster, as is Akuma (although not as bad). My favorite character was Hugo, and I've put him up against many Ibukis. Not pretty. Yun and Yang are both solid first tier in 2i. The problem is the tiers are so spread out. Hugo and Elena in the bottom tier are waaaay behind the middle tier, top tier is way far out ahead still and then the God tier just reigns with an iron fist. Maybe shoryuken.com has some 2i vids laying around somewhere, a good Ibuki is a rather eye opening experience.

In SF3NG, Ibuki possibly qualifies as the most broken Capcom character of all time. All the speed and combos, plus the easiest infinite ever (kick kick kick kick).

The home versions tweak things a bit. Ibuki's infinite is gone, and in 2i Hugo was given his third strike jab. Which of course succeeded in making him even worse :) I'm sure there were other changes, it's been a while.

All I know is that I got real good pretty quickly in Alpha 3 but to this day I wouldn't say that about my SF3 play. Parrying really makes you have to learn everyone and their tendencies in a more precise way than Alpha does.

And as for the music...the guy who does the rapping (Infinite) is from a local crew, a member of whom tried to sexually assault an ex-girlfriend of mine...I'm not impressed.

hm...small world :(

3rd Strike music is so fucking sweet i don't have any complains in that area, hell! I don't complain about anything in this game :)

Mech well say, I couldn't say it better my self… fuck! why ppl like you don't live around here, so I could challenge them for some good 3rd Strike battles :)


[edit]DANM! didn't know that Kyo :(

The music in 3rd Strike is way too loug in default setting. It completely drowns out the voices.

The voices in 3rd Strike are the best Capcom has ever done.

The sound FX are some of the worst- the parry sound is MUCH better in Double impact...

Speaking of Third Strike, anyone check out the Evolution 2K2 3rd Strike Matches? Mester, Ohnuki and Tokido = @_@

Ohnuki parried the first hit of Alex Valle's EX Fireball (Ryu) and then blew through the next hit with Chun's Super #2 O_O;; craziness. From what I heard he does that regularly when playing too wtf :(

reno, you suck. (oh, wait so do I) :)

Yes, those JPN players are sick. seeing them play in person was unbelievable.

I saw this CrAzY finish once.

It's the third round in a Sean(1P) vs. Dudley(CPU) match.

Both fighters have a sliver of energy left. It so happens that the player decides to mess around and taunt!!. The CPU "catches on" to this pattern and then reacts by doing his rose-tossing taunt. The player launches one more basketball just in time to land AND parry the rose!! The basketball clocks Dudley square on the head at the same time.

KO!!

Everyone who was watching that match literally gave a "standing ovation" to the player.

Wicked!:cool:

I don't see the problem with parrying. Yes, parrying supers can be easy, but you have to PARRY THE FIRST HIT, and that's what's difficult. You basically have to guess at what height the next move will stike - low or mid/high. THEN you have to guess WHEN it will strike. That's two guesses.

Not I know it can be surprisingly easy to guess when your opponent will strike, but when going toe-to-toe with a standing Akuma, for example, how can you tell if he'll hit you high with a regular punch or low with a standing LK. There's no catch-all parrying technique for that situation. You have to guess either to tap accross or tap down.

One other thing: ISMs suck. Just quit with the ISMs and options and things and let me get on with the match.

And the character select screen music is bad in Third Strike, with that rhythm-free rapper, but have you even heard the music on Akuma's level? It's more than good.

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Originally posted by bahn
hm...small world :(

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Yeah, the wierd thing was, I found out when I got the game, finished it, and saw his name. I thought it was cool a local guy was in SF3, so I told her one of the Ghetto Concept guys did the vocals for it and that's when she told me what happened. Still a cool game, and it wasn't actually Infinite that messed with her, but still.

Hey

I have a question, Does anyone have a comprehensive list of all the effects the taunts have. I'm rather unsure about what they do.

JM

the only taunts unknown for the players are : RYU and CHUN-LI

I think Ryu taunts don't change anything, but Chun-Li has so many different taunts that no1 knows what do each one of them

al others taunts only increase Damage our Defense [Q is the only one]

I think only a few characters have taunts with any effect - Dudley, Chun Li, Sean, Ken and Yun/Yang have taunts that hit the other person. Sean's and Dudley's can be the start of a combo.

Urien's knocks the opponent down if they're close enough. Q's, if done three times in a match, lowers the damage he does, but greatly lowers the damage he takes.

Oro's restores his stun meter. Makoto's powers up the damage she does for her next move, and I think the third part of it hits the opponent. I don't think the others do anything special, but someone can feel free to correct me.

Akuma - power
Ken - power
Yang - power
Yung - power our speed not sure
Dudley - power
Makoto - power
Urien - power
Q - defense [you can do it 3 times for max defense]
Elena - power our speed not sure also
Gill - power
Hugo - power[he has two taunt and i don't know what the second one does]
Sean - power
Remy - power
Oro - power
Alex – power

From Gamefaqs:

CHUN LI - What bonuses she gets depends on what she does during her Personal Action:
- If she yawns, her stun gauge recovery rate increases. You can yawn up to three times for increased recovery.
- If she also cracks her neck, her attack power increases for all moves but throws.
- If she also pats her shoulder, her defense power increases.
- If she also arches forward and stretches her hips, her attack and defense power increase.

RYU - The rate at which his stun gauge empties will increase a bit. You can taunt up to three times to increase the rate at which his stun gauge goes down, but after that point, additional taunting won't do anything.

A lot of them have different effects and can be controlled in different ways, so if you're interested in the effects I suggest you look them up.

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Saying SF3 is "simpler" is not an insult.

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I know, but I think that Alpha is more complex in terms of too many commands whereas SFIII is more complex in terms of mind games and proper usage (very little barraging the opponent). They're complex in different ways.

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Someone throws a projectile, parry, thank them for the super meter, and depending on the spacing possibly hit them before they recover because you're not in block stun.

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Move canceling can help (obviously one shouldn't be tossing fireballs at random, a good setup will help), and whether the opponent hits through a parry depends on their attack as well (you can parry after a parry if it's at least a Hard attack... I haven't experimented throughly with this to see what can and can't be done in this manner, but I've done it by accident before).

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In 2i, Ibuki is an absolute monster, as is Akuma (although not as bad). My favorite character was Hugo, and I've put him up against many Ibukis.

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Yeah, I abused the heck out of Akuma in SI (he was my feel-good comeback character whenever I started losing badly and wasn't in a mood to deal with it), though I used to be really good against Ibuki. A friend of mine loves her to death and enjoyed using her against me all the time, hence I learned a lot of her move animations and parrying timing. I've forgotten them by now (like Ken, who I used to know all his animations like the back of my hand), but it was fun while it lasted.

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In SF3NG, Ibuki possibly qualifies as the most broken Capcom character of all time.

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I've barely played NG, I was raised on SI and started playing NG just for a change of pace and to see how the game progressed (I'm mainly a home player). I miss the waterfall stage...

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Air parrying can net you an advantage (better positioning and super meter) for little risk.

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It can, but it can also be used against you. Due to adding to your hang time, one of my roomies used that to toss out fireballs while I was jumping so that I would have to parry which would give him time to move his character around. Again, it depends on who you're fighting and their style.

Parrying is simple once you get the hang of it, but a lot is learning who your opponent is and how they fight moreso then simply "This is his move list." (It still takes that too, of course.)

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Which Isms maximized a character was hotly debated and experimented with for a long time, which super maximized a character in SF3 was practically figured out immediately.

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For some characters, yes. Choosing a Super can also depend on who you're fighting, and I find I have multiple choices for Supers for many of the characters (there are a couple I only ever use one with). It's not as hotly contested as the Isms because it doesn't affect them as wildly (but it does affect the Super Bar length, which can really change the flow), but it also allows for better balance.

You'll have to play TS to get a better grasp on how they balanced it, as they also added moves to most of the characters and removed some (poor Dudley's spinning uppercut).

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Air parrying, which is more difficult to boot.

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(Forgot) Oh, and what I meant by "more difficult" was in comparision to air blocking. One requires watching your opponents move and timing a tap of the controller just right, the other requires holding back.

i don't get the complaints with the sf3ts music. i liked it so much i bought the soundtrack. makoto's stage music is my fave i think. the music that plays at the end credits is great too.

StriderKyo: Holy Shit!! You've finally answered my question. I've been asking people for years, "doesn't the guy in SFIII sound like Infinte" and nobody knew what the hell I was talking about.

So, Ghetto Concept eh. I thought infinite was on his own (see, I don't pay attention to Ghetto Concept due, mostly, to my disdain of their hackneyed, unoriginal brand of hip-hop; Kardinal Offishall they ain't)

Relating back to the topic: To be honest, I don't use parrying as much as I should, as I find it more of a hinderance than a benefit. But that's just the way I play. I use it more to show-off. That said, I'm a sucky player. Whoopee.

P.S. all valid points guys, good debate.

Oh yes, and the music in SFIII is good, but I kind of like the music in Double Impact a little better. Maybe it's because Third Strike's music sounds like "forced coolness." However, the theme of Q would make a really good single, in my opinion.

I don't like the music because I can't stand rap. Of course, I haven't heard all the BGM tracks yet, but it irritated me to hear that stuff in a video game.

And yes... the character selection music in MvC2 is terrible as well.

i don't mind the music in 3rd strike at all, but after a while i get tired of it. i like the music in the earlier games a lil better though....more melody.

so the name of the band is Ghetto Concept or Infinte?

No the rapper is Infinite (part of the crew/ or runs with Ghetto Concept)

but if you listen to Moving on! you will notice they are two ppls singing

Infinite used to be a part of Ghetto Concept, he's on his own now. I don't know who the backup guy in Moving On is. (I've gotta admit, great production on that track, though - I think the production for all the tracks was done by a Japanese guy - I don't have the game close by to check the credits).

ok thx :)

This artist has been linked to a few times on this board, but I'm doing it again because of his recent subject matter. He's recently completed fanart to the entire cast of SFIII, and while a couple look odd (I don't like Dudley's face) most are awesome.

You'll also notice he's started doing JoJo at the top of that gallery, and if you flip through the archives he's got a lot of SNK stuff too.

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Originally posted by MechDeus
This artist has been linked to a few times on this board, but I'm doing it again because of his recent subject matter. He's recently completed fanart to the entire cast of SFIII, and while a couple look odd (I don't like Dudley's face) most are awesome.

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Ryu is vulcan?

Ken has the largest feet I have ever seen in my life.

Still, pretty good.

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Originally posted by 88mph


Ryu is vulcan?

Ken has the largest feet I have ever seen in my life.

Still, pretty good.

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Actually, everyone has huge feet (and I don't mean the perspective)

Once again, very good...:)

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Originally posted by MechDeus
This artist has been linked to a few times on this board, but I'm doing it again because of his recent subject matter. He's recently completed fanart to the entire cast of SFIII, and while a couple look odd (I don't like Dudley's face) most are awesome.

You'll also notice he's started doing JoJo at the top of that gallery, and if you flip through the archives he's got a lot of SNK stuff too.

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Great stuff, especially the JBA work. This guy actually draws the Jojo characters better than Hirohiko Araki himself.

I'm thinking about importing this one, and I'd assume that it's pretty import-friendly, but I just thought I'd check before I spend the cash.

I really like the Japanese cover.

Ampersand: The import of SFIII is great for the manual (larger pictures, thicker, full-color), and the actual gameplay, of course, is import-friendly. However, you'll want a FAQ for the extra options and tweaking pages (there's 11 screens of Japanese text right there).

If you'll never use them, that's fine, but it's still fun to mess around from time to time and change things a bit or even make the game play almost exactly like Alpha.

what Mech say, the Japanese and US 3rdStrike are the same. So why pay more for a game that will play and sounds exactly the same