Sin and Punishment

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Rules
:: Normal mode
:: Score, Shots, and Time (time isn't neccesary though)

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  PLAYER              SCORE            HITS          TIME     

1) Valgar              94,002,046        2,925                    Perfect Bonus

2) StrangenessDSS      90,583,444        2,860        00:50:00    Perfect Bonus

3) Mister DAN          79,125,803        2,792        00:54:05

4) MrMonkeyMan        73,386,172        2,690        00:51:11

5) Astroblue          69,191,805        2,577        00:50:07

6) Lts_Bnce            53,463,062        2,227        00:45:15

7) Kiken              46,809,781        2,110 

8) Click_Stick        26,928,399        1,376

9) Technosphile        23,133,150        1,280

10) rjpaguek          13,889,989          938        00:23:23

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|-) Here comes a Challenger
- Mickey Mouse Pancakes -

Yep, that was me.

Whew! Some competiton at last. Here we go:

NORMAL:
Score: 26,928,399
Shots: 1,376

Crushed, anyway. Damn.

Be sure to post rules and organize the charts real nice, Valgar.

Rules? ummm, I don't think I have any rules. Oh...

1. Just make sure you post which difficulty you did it on.


As for a chart.... I have no clue how to make one, if someone could maybe help me or "guide" me, I would be more than happy to do it!

To organize a chart, you should just focus on scores only and let the rest hang.

Well, you can include shots, time, or whatever, but you need to create an actual ranking table. Take a look at the other high score threads on the board and use them as your model.

Here's an example:

Valgar - 70,802,986 - 0.44.47 - 2,512 shots
Click_Stick - score - time - shots
...
etc.

I'll get in on this, but the honor system sucks.
Of course, it is the only way...
I hope we all tell the truth.
Be back with my scores.

13,126,448 - 935 hits - time is about 14 minutes, but can't say for sure, I can only get to 2-2 on one credit so far

I just started working on score at this game, and I can definitely do better. I'll post some better scores soon. This is on Normal, by the way. I started a score topic over at the shmups forum, in case anyone was interested.

Got my biggest score ever today...on Pa's cart!

Technosphile/23,133,150/1280 HIT

I have no idea how much time, sorry.

-Tech

More scores!!! Horay! I have to update my score, I think it was around 75 million. If anyone needs help I know a ton about this game, before I quit playing I almost got through without getting hit once.

I got hit by the mines in "The Blue Raid" (right name?)

And at the very last level (before final boss) I got nailed by a shot.

Kiken
Score: 46,809,781
Stage: All
Shots: 2110

Normal - 37,453,144 - 1609 HIT - 0:41:26 - L. 3-2

Just started playing for score a few days ago... this is the first time I've managed to get past 2-2 on one credit. Now I need to learn how to actually beat 3-2, since I can't credit-feed it anymore...

I finally beat Normal difficulty without a continue... 55,123,622 points, 2296 HIT, 46:19. ^_^

After the first couple times I played through the game, I started skipping the cutscenes, but now I find myself watching them again. The style, the story, the characters... it's just so awesome.

Started replaying this today, but on my first go I died against the Spider Seemer :cry: I'm rusty...

Glad that you're playing... because I passed you up on the score chart. :D

Normal - 63,945,902 - 2471 HIT - 48:00

Nice! I'm waiting for my N64 RGB cable at the moment. I would like to work on milking points from bosses, Octpus Seemer has to be worth a ton of points.

Nice going, SDSS!

I improved my score by a million; still not enough to regain my 2nd place.

61'753'441

But with only 2346 hits... less than my old hi-score... must be from yellow score bonuses or something. I went un-hit until I got to the Raptor Seemer (I jumped up into one of his gemini lasers :cry: ) then I lost my composure and kept getting hit... and then I fucked up on the side-scrolling level... spent too long killing the "New Food Source" (those snail-lizards) and lost lotsa time... I almost died :cry:

Valgar, send me a VHS of your playthrough k? :D

EDIT: Look at my new custom user text "title"! Treasure Engrish iZ TEH SHIZNIT!

Oh, and Valgar, I tried Octpus(sic) Seemer "milking". It's possible, but the large ruffians will give you a real hard time. I gave up fairly quickly at trying it, I still think he will dissappear like the Raptor Seemer, or ESPLODEIFICATE like all Radiant Silvergun bosses.

Not bad.. but I've improved my score by a million and a half. :D After an aborted playthrough where I died on literally the last bullet before the final boss.

65,451,128 - 2499 HIT

It's not that hard to milk the Octpus Seemer... the arms only regerate once each, giving you a dozen bonus targets total. Unless there's something more I don't know about. (That said, I screwed up and almost died before the Spider Seemer... but it went well in practice)

I get hit waaaaay too much, and I finally realized that's why the bonus gems keep resetting. Still not sure how the score from a commander bonus is calculated. Are there any hints/tips/etc about this game aside from what's on GameFAQs? Or skilled gameplay videos, or other ranking tables (Japanese sites, maybe)? Anything interesting out there?

My FAQ on GameFAQs is probably the most comprehensive Sin & Punishment "hints/tips/etc" I've been able to find, If I so say myself.

Most of the Japanese sistes just have scripts and rankings.
The Japanese HS is more than 100 mill - you basically have to neverget hit, get every yellow score bonus and the perfect bonus.

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Originally Posted by AstroBlue

Valgar, send me a VHS of your playthrough k? :D

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K, RGB cables should be coming anyday. Bit rusty, so I gotta warm up.

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Originally Posted by AstroBlue

Oh, and Valgar, I tried Octpus(sic) Seemer "milking". It's possible, but the large ruffians will give you a real hard time. I gave up fairly quickly at trying it, I still think he will dissappear like the Raptor Seemer, or ESPLODEIFICATE like all Radiant Silvergun bosses.

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He will leave after the Large Ruffians attack for awhile. The arms regenerate more than once though, and they way I did it before, they stopped coming back once the Large ruffians attacked (maybe it has something to do with a "X" amount or time).

I posted this awhile ago in another thread, but I think it is good info for here. This is in AstroBlue's FAQ btw (definatly go check it out, that is what I first used to play!)



If you get the "PERFECT BONUS" on the Final Boss, which is achieved by
not letting a single projectile hit the earth, you get a whopping 5,000,000 bonus.

Now if you get the Perfect Bonus then the "EARTH LIFE BONUS" , which is how much life the earth has left (MAX 50,000 x 100) will automatically net you another 5,000,000.

Now add in Yellow Diamond Bonus points, Bonuses from defeating the boss, and shooting every damn thing on screen. You can get 11,000,000+ Points just from the last boss!

You just need to the learn the patterns and it isn't actually that hard. I wanted to know how much you got for that Bonus, and it was well worth it. I just used practice mode for about 15 minutes and tried it over and over.

Well, I finally dug out my N64 after packing it away a few months ago, and decided I'd give Sin and Punishment another chance (I had only mustered a highscore of 13 million before I packed everything away). Anyway, I managed to beat the game on a single credit after 2 days with the game. Not sure what was holding me back before.

60,327,972 - 2369 HIT

69,492,616 - 2526 HIT

Darnit... still not ahead of Valgar's score. But 69 is a good number.

The Japanese high score is over 100 million??!?!!!!?!? Where do all those points come from???

Gah! Nice job!

I havn't done it myself, but to get that many points I'm speculating that you need to...

A. Never get hit
B. Get every Yellow Bonus Crystal
C. Milk points
D. Get The PERFECT BONUS

Wow! Hopefully I'll be able to get a score as high as that when I'm done with this game. Anyway, played through for the 2nd time and beat my old score.

64,641,519 - 2481 Hits

I could easily get 68 million if I didn't always get hit at the worst times.

Using a magic marker, 1 sheet of paper, and my math 3 skills, I think I've figured out how mini-boss scoring works. I used all the 1-1 Bosses to do this.


((HIT + TIME) x 100) + 10,000 = Score

or

HIT x 100
TIME x 100
10,000

Add together = Score

NOTE : This will NOT work if you don't have full life. That might be where the 10,000 comes from.

Well, scratch that last score. Already got a new one.

66,999,493 - 2512 Hits

Bah, got hit at the beginning of 3-2 and lost so many easy points... and I was so close to 67 million!

I can't play for a while, since I gave my copy of the game to a friend - anyone know a good place to buy another copy, aside from ebay?

I'm still workin on me score. After this lovely working 7 days in row nonsense, I'll sit down and give it a shot. If you still haven't found that copy of Sin you can try ToysNJoys in Hawaii

http://www.toysnjoys.com/importn64.html

Just a suggestion.

A year gone by...

One year+ has passed since this thread started.

Some new names added to the list (OMG we got 10!!), and MrMonkeyMan's score updated.

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Originally Posted by BEBOPlover

I'll get in on this, but the honor system sucks.
Of course, it is the only way...
I hope we all tell the truth.
Be back with my scores.

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It's been a year since you went to go get your scores! |-)

=O

You're spying on me as well! I wonder why I never posted that score? Oh well, I've been playing so much F-Zero GX lately that I haven't had any time at all to play some Sin and Punishment.

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Originally Posted by Shinya

I'm still workin on me score. After this lovely working 7 days in row nonsense, I'll sit down and give it a shot. If you still haven't found that copy of Sin you can try ToysNJoys in Hawaii

http://www.toysnjoys.com/importn64.html

Just a suggestion.

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I think Pacrappa still has new copies of it too, seems like a better idea to order from him, I don't even think I will get my copy of Dodonpachi from those bastards, no one carries a new copy of that but you got to believe :sweat:
And I don't know why I haven't picked this one up yet, could be because then I would have to buy a jp N64 and a stepdown converter just to avoid black boarders, and I don't think I could stomach the graphics now.

He also had strange powers...

Rakugaki SHOWTIME!

*HICCUP*

Raku!

Anybody who still plays, I ask a favor.

Could you please...

Select Practice Mode
Stage 3-2
Do your best.

Tell me your total HIT count at the end of the level (make sure you look as you kill the last enemy).

Thanks!

15 Yellow Diamonds brings you to the max of 50,000

1000
1500
2500
4000
6000
8500
11500
15000
19000
23500
28500
34000
40000
46500
50000

TOTAL = 291,500

If you get hit, you start back at 1,000

50,000 X 15 = 750,000

This is the amount of points you would get if you weren't hit.

750,000 - 291,500 = 458,500

Getting hit costs you 458,500 Points!

Now, lets say you get hit, make it to 19,000 but get hit again. Obviously your going to lose even more points!

Agh, you make it look so painful! I should dig out my N64 again and put some more time into this game.

Damn F-Zero GX for eating up all my gaming time!

*clueless voice*

like OMG it's MrMonkeyMan, can i have your autograph?
F-Zero's still taking my time, i'm beating it on the last difficulty for emerald and diamond. Slow child here.

Back on topic, I really want to get this game.

I really want you to get this game!

The equation for the Yellow Diamond bonus is..

t(n) = 250n^2 + -250n + 1000

This doesn't include the 50,000. It seems they just wanted it to end at 50,000 because technically it should really be 53,500

I finally got around to buying another copy - got it from Toys'n'Joys, so thanks for that link. And then, quite some time after getting the copy, I finally started practicing again. I wanted to get a score higher than the one Valgar has posted... and here it is! ^_^

70,909,447 - 2555 HIT - 46:36

I wasn't doing so great during the beginning, first got hit on the Armed Volunteer Base before the Crab Seemer (^_^'), kept getting hit quite a bit in 1-2, and got hit halfway through 2-1. But it seems I got enough HITs (as opposed to getting hit) to make up for it. I got hit a lot later on too, but that's normal for me. Then I got nervous glancing at my score near the end and missed a few Scarab Seemers.

Fantastic! Thank you so much for participating! |-)

You sound like a game show host. :p

But I'm not finished yet...

72,400,160 - 2591 HIT - 46:06

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Originally Posted by Valgar

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Rules
:: Normal mode
:: Score, Shots, and Time (time isn't neccesary though)

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  PLAYER              SCORE              HITS          TIME

1) StrangenessDSS      72,400,160          2,591        00:46:06

2) Valgar              70,802,986          2,512   

3) Mister DAN          68,026,926          2,508        00:50:20

4) MrMonkeyMan        67,221,026          2,525        00:46:38

5) Astroblue          61,753,441          2,346     

6) Kiken              46,809,781          2,110 

7) Click_Stick        26,928,399          1,376

8) Technosphile        23,133,150          1,280

9) alpha5099          13,126,448            935

10) rjpaguek            11,068,525            781

11) Justin Delible      8,089,021            640        00:19:47

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|-) Here comes a Challenger
One year and 3 months later, 1st place sees a new name. Fantastic Work Strangeness!

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I should have realized earlier that working with everyone would be much easier and yield greater results. One big unruly mob is better than one |-)

So, without further ado..

Valgar / 94,002,046 / 2925 HITS

Theoretically, my current max is ~97+ Million. I got hit 6 times during that run.

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Over the summer I aquired a S&P Strategy Guide from Japan (Thank you Seven Force!). The guide states that the "Target Score" for Normal mode is 91 million / 2900 HITS :\

Originally I decided which bosses needed to be taken advantage of. Later, after getting the Strategy Guide, I found that I was correct on all of my choices. Let's go over these bosses and compare ideas/strats.


"Milk! In a dirty glass, please!"

Bee Seemer

He gets chomped at ~70 seconds. Just get him down to low life while shotting down some flying ruffians.

Centipede Seemer

Before I would just wait till around 35 seconds to kill him. Thanks to StrangenessDSS now I know it's one minute (THANKS!) ;)
Though, I'm not getting 510,000, instead I'm getting a lower number, BUT..my hits are ~340 with the highest being 350 (that I've achieved).

Crab Seemer

Real simple

- Shoot down to half life
- Kill bipedal ruffians
- Shoot to ~1 HP
- Kill bipedal ruffians
- Destroy boss

Colderon

Colderon is weird. I can't figure out exactly how his departure works. However, I THINK that getting him down below 10 life will make him stay longer. At the moment I kill him with 27 seconds left. While waiting, I destroy the huge ships that fly from the background.

Lizard Seemer

I'm still not sure about this boss. The guide says to shoot down the bats, but you only kill about 10. Do you think killing him faster would yeild more points? He can be killed in a couple seconds..

Moth Seemer

|-) Simple

Crawfish Seemer

This time were not going for hits, but rather Yellow Diamonds :_) . Take him down to low life while collecting them. The last item will be a Purple Time circle, kill him quickly after that.

Mother Crow

The guide says to wait on this and just shoot down planes. I do this, until the larger ships start to shoot out missles. From here I finish it off, then destroy the 3 mechs which carrier bonuses.

Any ideas on this boss?

Mole Seemer 3

We all know those mole ruffians are worth a lot of points! The mole seemer will leave after 3 sets of mole ruffians come from the sides.

Any thoughts how to avoid the flames the Mole Seemer shoots out sparringly? I can't even identify when he is doing it.


Birth Model

IMHO, the biggest milking spot in the game. Each rock is worth one hit. I stand around and shoot in a big circle to rack up points. Kill the eye once it appears the first two times. After that, I let the rocks rebuild and then repeat. Always kill that annoying arm right away though. At about 20 seconds it's time to get serious so you don't go below 0 seconds.

Spider Seemer 2

After the mass assault of spider ruffians, I stand still and let more come out from behind the counter. Don't shoot the seemer or else he will retreat and start a new attack. These ruffians tend to carry a lot of Yellow Daimonds as well. You will also notice they stop coming at 55 seconds. From here start working on finishing the spider seemer. You can still get a lot of hits from more spider ruffians later on. Make sure you just don't go over time.


HITS

Each level the S&P Guide gives a "Target HIT"

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Stage    HITS    TOTAL

0-0      330      330

1-1      300      630
1-2      320      950
1-3        0      950

2-1      150      1100
2-2      450      1550
2-3      350      1900

3-1      200      2100
3-2      440      2540  *
3-3      360      2900

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*How is 440 possible? 390 is my max.

Slice or dice?

Does the sword yield more points? Time must effect normal shots. Toy around with the first ruffians in 0-0 to see what I mean.

Damn... that's a lot of points. Looks like I've got a bit of catching up to do.

Re: Slice or Dice - did you see the scoring mechanics topic I posted on Gamefaqs? I figured out exactly how the game calculates score from shooting/slicing/otherwise damaging things.

http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genme...topic=11325785

In short: you get points for damaging things, and the only difference between the sword and the gun is that you might lose fractions of a point due to truncating. The amount of points you get runs on the same old (HITS + TIME + LIFE) * X formula.

I was thinking of tidying up that post and submitting it as a faq, since I wasn't able to find that info explained anywhere and I don't want it to disappear.

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Originally Posted by StrangenessDSS

Re: Slice or Dice - did you see the scoring mechanics topic I posted on Gamefaqs? I figured out exactly how the game calculates score from shooting/slicing/otherwise damaging things.

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Wow, I missed that :\

Nice work though, thanks for figuring that out.

I just got my commodore cable and am ready to capture...once I get a card.

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I was thinking of tidying up that post and submitting it as a faq, since I wasn't able to find that info explained anywhere and I don't want it to disappear.

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You could post it in here too. I don't think this thread will go anywhere unless TNL explodes :o

Might as well...

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A couple times before, I'd tried to figure out how many points you get for shooting things. It didn't seem like it'd be too hard, but I started ending up with some weird numbers and wasn't able to figure out why. Not having much else to do last night, I recorded a couple videos to analyze. After covering a couple papers with calculations and going up a few blind alleys, I've finally managed to figure it out.

The amount of score for a Central Commander Bonus is well-known:

(HIT + TIME + LIFE) * 1000

Likewise, a Commander Bonus is simple:

(HIT + TIME + LIFE) * 100

The formula for the amount of points you get for shooting/slicing/otherwise damaging something isn't any more complicated:

(HIT + TIME + LIFE) * Amount of damage given

That was actually my first guess, but a lot of the numbers didn't match up. It wasn't until I figured out the tricksy way the game calculates damage that it made sense.

The game runs on eighths. Here's the damage that your shots do:

Regular Shots
-Easy: 1.25
-Normal: 1.125
-Hard: 1.0

Lock-on Shots
-Easy: 0.75
-Normal: 0.5
-Hard: 0.25

The HP display for a boss is truncated. If an enemy gets knocked down below 1 HP, it dies, and the remaining fraction is added to the damage of the last hit. You cannot do more damage than an enemy has HP.

If the amount of score you get from any given hit is not an integer, it will be truncated and the fraction is lost.

Some examples:

The first enemy in the game is a flying bug-like ruffian, with 1 HP. Hitting it with anything will kill it and do 1 point of damage.

There are also flying bug-like ruffians with 3 HP. Shooting these once on Normal with a regular shot will do 1.125 points of damage. Shooting them a second time kills them, and does 1.875 points of damage. Slicing an unhurt one kills it and does 3 points of damage.

The plain soldiers in 1-1 have 2 HP. Shooting one with a regular shot on Normal kills it and does 2 points of damage.

Transformed Kachua's first form has 170 HP. Shoot it once with a regular shot on normal, and the display will say it has 168 HP (it's actually 168.875). Every eight shots, the fractions will add up, and the display will skip another number.

100 points of damage is the same as a Commander Bonus. 1000 points of damage is the same as a Central Commander Bonus.

(Note: You don't get any points for damaging the final boss, due to obvious reasons.)

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StrangenessDSS / 74,670,134 / 2693 / 49:18

That info really helps, Valgar... I was playing horribly that time, and still managed to beat my old score.

Next time I'll hopefully get the Perfect Bonus... I've done it in practice, but since I was messing up so much this time, I didn't get close. That should give my score a nice boost.

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StrangenessDSS / 74,670,134 / 2693 / 49:18

That info really helps, Valgar... I was playing horribly that time, and still managed to beat my old score.

Next time I'll hopefully get the Perfect Bonus... I've done it in practice, but since I was messing up so much this time, I didn't get close. That should give my score a nice boost.

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Amazing eh? I jumped from 70 to 80 to 90 in roughly two weeks or so. Right now I'm at a point where I either A. Need to find more HITS or B. Concentrate on not getting hit/yellow diamonds (which I've been working on).

I've sucessfully done each level without getting hit..just not in one run.

What are you guys getting on 3-2? I don't see how 440 is possible! :\

I can only get about 370, and that's killing almost everything I see. Maybe there's a few of those segmented ruffians that are worth a dozen or so hits hidden somewhere?

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Lizard Seemer

I'm still not sure about this boss. The guide says to shoot down the bats, but you only kill about 10. Do you think killing him faster would yeild more points? He can be killed in a couple seconds..

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One second saved will net you 100 points. One extra hit will get you 100 points, plus 100 points from all the other Commander Bonuses, plus 1000 points for every Central Commander Bonus, plus however many points of damage you do during the rest of the game.

A single kill is probably worth a good deal more than 99 seconds there.

Wow o_O

Taking a few of your suggestions sure improved my score! I was playing terrible, getting hit all over the place, missing important enemies, but it wound up as my best run yet! Just wow...

MrMonkeyMan / 70,777,630 / 2664 / 50:26

EDIT
New score!

MrMonkeyMan / 73,386,172 / 2690 / 51:11

StrangenessDSS / 76,164,236 / 2711 / 49:01

Did better that time, especially in avoiding getting hit, but I messed up in a few spots. I'm not used to milking the Birth Model, and was getting hit so much I stopped early rather than risking a death. And I let wayyyy too many projectiles through on the final boss.

Does anyone know what causes the invincible ruffian on 3-2 to hurry forward and hit you during the last bit of his section? It doesn't happen often, but it's annoying because I don't know how to stop it or any way to avoid it.

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Does anyone know what causes the invincible ruffian on 3-2 to hurry forward and hit you during the last bit of his section? It doesn't happen often, but it's annoying because I don't know how to stop it or any way to avoid it.

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I have been wondering this myself, and have no clue. My best guess is when you slash him it seems he "changes planes". Or possibly it has to do with time?

FINALLY my account works... and none too soon...
I posted this score on GameFAQs... but GameFAQs is dead to me... This board is roughly 1 octillion times better...

Mister DAN / 72,990,114 / 2667 / 00:54:47

Relish your #3 spot whilst you can MonkeyMan heheheh HAHAHAHAHAH
:evil:HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHORF!!! :evil:


*ahem*

At any rate... I have an addition to that Boss Info Chart Valgar made...

Nothing was included on Radan at the end of 2-2, and it SHOULD be noted that if you play just right, you can milk Radan for up to three yellow crystals!

The trick is to drive Radan off the edge three times obviously, open by knocking out Kachua as usual then jump over Radan's fireballs. After that volley of attacks she will jump, DO NOT attack her when she is airborne otherwise you'll inflict too much damage. When she is on the ground drive her back with your sword slashes... Watch her back carefully, if it raises up she will launch an electrical attack... If she does, back away. After that she may or may not jump again, so be aware of that.
If you do everything right, you can knock her off three before she dies and get three yellow crystals.

Congrats MonkeyMan and Strangeness on the improvements... GO FOR THE PERFECT BONUS!!!

Just to make sure no one takes my number two spot (Unless it's traded for #1, of course)...

StrangenessDSS / 78,665,319 / 2775 / 48:43

Didn't get hit until Radan... I think that's my furthest ever, or at least close. Then I got hit on the beginning of Transformed Kachua's second form (as usual), got hit on the Anemone Seemer (v_v), and I stopped keeping track once I saw how much I was getting hit on 2-2.

I was doing well for most of it, but messed up on 3-2. Got hit twice by the invincible ruffian, missed three of those segmented ruffians and got hit a lot there, and then got hit twice by the fireball-spitting Seemer. Does anyone know a good way to kill those things on the walls, or do I have to just hope that the sword doesn't bounce at the wrong time?

I almost broke 70 million in 3-2. Did better on the final boss, but two projectiles got through. Next time...

<i>FROM Strangness: Does anyone know a good way to kill those things on the walls, or do I have to just hope that the sword doesn't bounce at the wrong time?</i>

Those things only open when your pretty much underneath them... they send out a tractor beam that lifts you upward presumably so that the Larva Seemer can catch up to you. Don't slash your sword until your right under them I guess... :cool:

POLL

What is your FAVORITE line or cinema scene from the game?!

I personally like WAY too much about this game to choose a single scene, but I really enjoy scenes like...

"I'll check it out, just keep the elevator moving... TAH!!! "

"There's no time now join the troops intercepting the ruffians"(I don't really love the line, but I LOVE how the guy waves his arm while saying it...

ARG... so many AWESOME LINES....

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Nothing was included on Radan at the end of 2-2, and it SHOULD be noted that if you play just right, you can milk Radan for up to three yellow crystals!

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Very nice, I was only going for 2 before. But let's make it even better.

Instead of taking kachua out right away, wait until you are ready to kill radan. This way you'll have 99 seconds on the clock. The Central Commander Bonus is times 1,000 while the Commander bonus is only 100.

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What is your FAVORITE line or cinema scene from the game?!

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My favorite scene will forever be when Ayran rips off her coat at the beggining of 2-1. I watch that EVERY time.

StrangenessDSS / 80,610,761 / 2796 / 49:34

I discovered something I didn't know before - while fighting the Earth Eyelid's rear panel, you can destroy the four engines for bonus gems.

Still no Perfect Bonus, though I've gotten close. It's harder when you're tense from playing the rest of the game than it is in practice.

Edit: New Score

StrangenessDSS / 81,565,349 / 2800 / 49:18

Still no Perfect Bonus.

Edit again: New Score

StrangenessDSS / 87,234,186 / 2796 / 49:21

Perfect Bonus! ^_^

Ye gods... I've improved my score almost nine million today...

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The one Valgar mentioned is great, as is Saki getting his gun ready at the beginning of 3-2.

The shot of the digital clock, and then with blood splattered on it, is great.

"We've got work to do!" is nice, with the glowing doorway and the screen fading to white.

Airan ramming Radan off the building is pure gold. "Fall down, you stupid beast!"

The whole "You could've just teleported free!" "Idiot! Don't you realize how dangerous teleporting is?" "They're dangerous! They're about to kill me!" "These enemies outmatch you, Leda." exchange is great. And Achi beating on Airan is hilarious.

Knocking Brad through the window is grand. And the shot right when you defeat him on the Malachi is lovely.

I like how Achi smiles and says "I thought I should show you at least once". And her speech where she segues into the powerful-sounding voice is awesome.

Saki saying "Good morning, Airan" at the beginning of 3-2 is great. As is his "At least we won't go hungry" line.

I love the style of this game. The camera angles, the motion blur, the brightness... it feels incredibly surreal.

The scenes between 3-2 and 3-3 are awesome. Achi blocking Saki's bullets, Saki pulling out an energy attack and knocking her down, Achi rising back up in a way that screams power, Saki waking up Airan and then transforming, Achi's power voice again while she spins in that awesome way... "The old Earth will die soon, killed by the very people it fed. When I take its place, I will not make the same mistake. What I need is a God of War, to rule the chaos for me. That's you, Saki."

And the ending is cool. "I always wanted to be a cop." Then the sun rising... Achi floating off somewhere, transformed Saki walking, with Airan...

(I'd better stop now before I go back and add in every single scene in the game.)

Don't mind me..

WOW... Amazing job Strangness...
|-) I can only imagine the unbridled joy you must have felt after nabbing that PURFEKT BONUS for the first time. I hope I get to experience that someday... Do you have to use the sword alot to deflect missles when your trying for it? Is there any way you guys could help me get it, some basic strats to remember?
Nerves are the biggest obstacle in getting that bonus after investing a 50 min+ trial of intense gameplay.

I ALSO just recently discovered that you could destroy the four engines around the Earth-Eyelid rear crater... potential 200 000+ points extra :lol: !!

No time to update my score yet, I have one more final exam before my break, then I'll have a lot of time to kill... ruffians that is.

"GOOD MORNING SAKI..."

"GOOD MORNING AIRAN"

*best catching sound EVAR!!!1*

"Comeon, we've got work to do..."

Wow, I LOVE all those scenes you pointed out Strangeness... I can tell you have fantastic taste in many things simply by outlining it the way you did...

Anyone who likes Treasure games basically has excellent gaming tastes.

Theoretically, I shouldn't have to use the sword much, since I can shoot most everything. In practice, I end up using it a lot. It's invaluable for getting things you miss, especially when your aim is off from being nervous.

Also, remember that your shots can hit targets you're not aiming at. If there's a lone projectile below a row of others, sweeping along the row will usually take out the lower projectile as well as the others.

And, of course, moving from side to side will help you move the aiming cursor faster.

For a detailed strategy...

The first wave is a simple meteor shower. It's also simple to take out, just spin the aiming cursor around and around.

Next the little blue things start appearing, in groups of three on each side. Since they move further apart, the best way to take them out is to get them right as they appear, but it can be tricky if you don't finish the first wave immediately. If you don't get them then, you have enough time to still get them without too much trouble, if you have good enough aim. At the end of this wave, twelve or sixteen additional blue things will appear in the middle, but even if you're a little behind, you should be able to take out most of the middle while moving from side to side.

Don't worry too much about getting all of the top row of the blue things. Before they fall down too far, four green explosive things appear. Sweep from right to left along the four, and you should take out anything left in the top row, although you might not if all four are left (but you should then be able to get them with the sword).

Then a bunch of blue things will start appearing, in a diagonal pattern moving from right to left. Shoot while moving right, then stand beneath the rightmost column and aim at the top of it; your shots will take out anything below as well. Move to the left as more appear, perhaps wiggling the cursor a bit to take out any last things that appear to your right, and this wave is easy.

Unfortunately, a bit before those stop appearing, you'll see four LONG rows of blue things appear. Keep at your previous pattern for a bit, since the diagonal pattern is still coming, and if you don't you'll be left with a dense cloud of projectiles on the left side. You'll also take out the leftmost part of the first two rows. Then sweep back and forth along the four rows, and, well, hope you hit everything. If you don't, and you probably won't, good luck getting the remainder with stray bullets as you sweep back along, or the sword if you're desperate (and close).

As if that weren't hard enough, six green things will appear above you as you're doing that. They're not too hard to take out before they explode, if you can take out the rows of blue things quickly, but that's probably the biggest "if" in getting the Perfect Bonus.

After that things get a bit easier. Columns of four blue things appear on alternating sides, with a few meteors in the middle. Shoot the blue things in the order they appear, and get the meteors while moving back and forth.

Then a lot of meteors start appearing in the middle, but they aren't any harder to take out than the first ones were. You'll also see two long diagonal lines of blue things moving in from each corner; just sweep down along the right line (don't worry about the few at the top), sweep up along the left line (making sure to get everything), and then get any of the right line that you missed.

A few moments later, three tornado cocoons spiral in; the first will appear in the middle, the second on the left, and the third on the right. Shoot the first, shoot the second, then move over to the right and jump to slash the last. Easy.

Then two huge flaming red things will appear; just slice, dodge, and slice. Easy.

Three more red things go flying by; they don't do any damage, but you can slice two of them.

Then it starts again. If you've gotten everything, you should win a few moments before the four long rows of those annoying tiny blue things appear.

A couple thoughts on points:

If you don't slice any of the last three huge red things, you should end up with more hits. But since you'll be getting over 2500 points for every point of damage you do, I would guess it's better to slice them. I haven't tested the numbers yet, though, so I'm just assuming that right now.

You can also get more hits by letting the green things explode and then destroying the four small blue things they shoot out. But I haven't tried to do that purposefully yet. You'd have to if you want to reach the 360 Valgar has listed as the target HIT; I get around 340 now.

If anyone wants it, I could record a video of how I get the Perfect Bonus. Having a capture card is handy. ^_^

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If you don't slice any of the last three huge red things, you should end up with more hits. But since you'll be getting over 2500 points for every point of damage you do, I would guess it's better to slice them. I haven't tested the numbers yet, though, so I'm just assuming that right now.

You can also get more hits by letting the green things explode and then destroying the four small blue things they shoot out. But I haven't tried to do that purposefully yet. You'd have to if you want to reach the 360 Valgar has listed as the target HIT; I get around 340 now.

If anyone wants it, I could record a video of how I get the Perfect Bonus. Having a capture card is handy. ^_^

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Nice work :_)

I forgot to mention that, but the guide specifically states that it is best to avoid the 3 meteors that pass by. Just as you said, letting the green blobs explode then jumping and slicing the 4 green orbs will give you more hits (does it do less damage too?). The first wave of green orbs (single row of 4), I only leave one alone. I'm still figuring out what would be best for the 6 (2 rows of 3), but I've found you can leave 3 of them to explode.

Nice find on the Earth Eyelid rear engines, I did not know that. Now I have to make a new strategy for that one :\

I would love to see a perfect bonus vid, if you have time... It would probably help me a lot :sweat:

Great idea with the green exploding things.... although I'm certainly not ready to experiment with those...

Perfect Bonus video here.

Those fireballs have a full 20 HP - with the amount of kills you'll have at the end of a normal game, slicing one would give you about 60,000 points. I don't care what the guide says, there's no way a couple extra hits is better than that.

Gods, that video was a pain to record... I'd had some problems with my computer freezing while recording things before, but I hadn't been able to figure them out, and it seems it's just gotten a lot worse. That's actually the third Perfect Bonus I managed to get, but it froze partway through recording the first two (for whatever reason, the game image and sound keeps working even when everything else freezes). And since I wasn't playing too well at first, I must have rebooted more than a dozen times while trying for that... damnit, why can't I get it to just work? ;_;

AWESOME!

You basically play it exactly like I do... just with more precision :D

The only thing I noticed is that around 20 seconds in, you aim for the highest green blobs in the rows and the bullets take out the lower blobs on the way up. Didn't know that, I usually zig-zag up and kill'em one by one.

Can you do that with the rows of green blobs 28 seconds in? Or is that too much area to cover?

I'd tried that a couple times, but it's just too much area to cover. By the time the top row appears, the bottom is too low. It is possible to move back and forth taking out two rows at a time, but I haven't experimented with that too much yet. You can't take them out quite as fast like that. Hmm... I probably ought to go try taking out the first two rows as I've been doing, and then aiming up/walking sideways for the last two.

Edit: No luck. You can do it that way, but it seems just as hard as any other way. There just doesn't seem to be an easy way to clear that section.

How does the brightness look on that video? My monitor is somewhat screwed up, so I don't know how it looks on a regular monitor.

Great vid... VERY helpful.

I didn't know that the white ice cocoons couldn't hit the earth at all to get the bonus... That looks to be one of the most difficult parts, correct me if I'm wrong...

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Great vid... VERY helpful.

I didn't know that the white ice cocoons couldn't hit the earth at all to get the bonus... That looks to be one of the most difficult parts, correct me if I'm wrong...

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No, you're not wrong, they're usually the only thing standing between me and a perfect bonus.

The cocoons? But... those are the easiest part! Well, those and the fireballs.

Once you know where they're going to appear, they're not hard to kill in the second or two you have after they appear.

Alright... Two questions for you Strangeness...

#1: Is it worth grabbing all the yellow crystals when going for the perfect bonus, or is it too much of a risk? I noticed you missed some. Probably because they were worth so little since you were in practice mode...

#2: What condition is your N64 controller in? My analog stick is still working pretty well, but it is a relatively archaic design compared to sticks on newer controllers. Yours must be working pretty well...

What kinda capture card are you using Strangeness? I need to get one..

#1: More points are always worth it. But, since the five million from the Perfect Bonus is such a huge amount, I'm probably going to just keep ignoring the paltry 50,000-point bonus gems until I can get the Perfect Bonus reliably.

#2: I don't even remember what new N64 controllers are like. All of my controllers are old, dating back to not long after the N64 was released, and they've all been used heavily. (New controllers are one of the many things that have been bouncing around my "stuff to buy" list for a while.)

The card I have is an ATI Radeon All-In-Wonder 8500DV.

A long awaited score update...

Mister DAN / 75,621,322 / 2736 / ??? (I forgot to write down the time on the registry screen after the credits.)

It was a good run for HIT count, but a GOD-AWFUL run for yellow crystals... I got hit by the Crab Seemer... among many MANY other pathetic things :mad:

Anyone know what score you should have before destroying Colderon... I usually glance at my score and when I have about 2.25 mil I kill Colderon(that i around the 43 second mark). I don't suppose anyone has figured out when exactly Colderon leaves or SOME kind of sign that you should stop milking and KILL COLDERON...??

Also, Does anyone here ever use the lock on blue target gun?... I find it useful at the end of 2-2 when you are confronted with that long row of Horse-Shoe crab ruffians streaming down. Other than that, I find it pretty abysmal.

I have an idea about Colderon... but, I'm too tired to go play now, as I'm about to drop off to sleep. (Edit: Nevermind. I was going to count the number of ships that fly by, but I keep losing track.)

A stream of horseshoe crab ruffians... you mean at the end of 1-2? Can it actually be useful there?

I just use the lock-on for the Crawfish Seemer, so I don't have to watch where he's going as well as where I'm going. And for the first part of the Spider Ruffian's third form, when he's bouncing around.

Yea... I meant 1-2... I find it useful for that 'stream' of enemies...

tiny score update...

Mister DAN / 75,897,825 / 2779 / 00:53:01

Got hit in the most ridiculous way early on... arg...

w00t... sort of.

Mister DAN / 79,125,803 / 2792 / 00:54:05

Pretty happy with this run overall. I didn't get hit until my fight with Transformed Kachua, then I got through all of 2-1 and up to the 'Near-Zero Minor' mini-boss in 2-2(Blue lazarz of DEATH)without taking a hit. Got within 5 projectiles of the perfect bonus to...

That #2 spot on the rankings is starting to look mighty appealing... :evil:


EDIT: I JUST conducted some important research on Colderon that should help everyone.

When I got to colderon, I slashed at him twice, took out the four cronies in the back, then slashed the dropship for the bonus(and 99 on the timer). By now Colderon was at 41 damage, I had 620 hits and around 2.2 mil in score.
REMEMBER that Colderon starts doing his jumping-back-throwing-pins-jump-slash attack after about 50 damage.

From the time I got the bonus by destroying Colderon's dropship to the time Colderon departed, I was able to destroy 18 ships whilst avoiding Colderon's blasts. Just as Colderon departs, a 19th ship appears, so you can destroy 18 ships and kill Colderon, or destroy 19 ships and ignore Colderon.

I did the 19 ships and let Colderon go and I had around 2.63 mil in score, so if you went 18 ships & kill Colderon, I would imagine a score of 2.7-2.8 mil.

It should be noted that colderon leaves RIGHT after the 18th ship is destoryed, so it may be safer to destroy 17 ships and kill Colderon. I hope this helps everyone...

Aaargh... every time I play, I get less hits... 2847, 2846, 2832, 2818... the odd thing is, I keep getting a few more points. I'm up to 83mil without the Perfect Bonus, and I could do better if I could just play right.

I discovered a new enemy on 3-2! (New to me, at least.) Y'know that spot where you wait for two of those segmented ruffians to fly over you, then advance to the right but shoot the two guys that jump out? If you go back to the left, a third guy will jump out.

One down, dozens more to go!

How many of Brad's wingmates do you guys kill? I can't figure out a good way to get more than two of them.

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How many of Brad's wingmates do you guys kill? I can't figure out a good way to get more than two of them.

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I get 3 of them, and kill brad before he ever gets a chance to start firing. Let me make a video this week, you guys should like the method I made up.

I always manage to take out at least three of the wingmates. I get the fourth one about 50% of the time. Killing the fourth one is all a matter of TIME, the first three can be taken out with their own missles for the most part.

I made it from 0-0 to 2-2 without receiving any damage!! I would've finished with at least 83 mil at the rate I was going, but I made the biggest screwups you make in 3-2 unfortunately; I was hit MANY times by those segmented, green-lazar-spewing ruffians, I didn't kill the Larva Seemer(my aim was off) and I had my ass handed to me by those red boomerangs the centaur ruffians throw.

Needless to say I was livid. I NEED to improve my score today and move onto playing Wind Waker, which I haven't even played yet.

I ALSO just bought a new/sealed copy of Rakugaki Showtime off of ebay for a SICK amount of $. Monkey Man can chastise me all he wants, but I think I will enjoy this game quite a bit. :D

EDIT: I've decided to take a break and play wind waker... Then I'll get back to S&Ping. The break will be good for me I think, stop me from making the stupid mistakes that have plauged me recently.

POLL

What is the highest number of hits you have ever had after defeating 'Near Zero' at the end of 1-1?

Mine was 663... DAMN I wish that run had worked out better...

I usually have around 610 at the end of 1-1. But I kill Colderon as fast as possible. Simply because I usually get hit by him and I figure 18 or so hits is too risky when I could loose my point chain.

You would've had a good score because the hits at the start of the game are far more important than any others. Think about it, all hits before the end of 1-1 will be recalculated 8 or 9 times for each Central Commander Bonus, while the hits you get in 3-3 will only be calculated once. Not to mention all the times Commander and damage is calculated by hits.

Anyway, I started re-playing this game tonight. I was going great guns for my first go at it.... until I misjumped the Man Seemers wave four times and died at 55'861'875..... I would've bettered my high score too... :curse:

After having a bit of a sook I tried again ^_^

I had a shit house yellow diamond run, got PWNED in the armada a bunch of times, and I got chomped by one of those big ruffians on Hokkaido beach.
But... I managed to bring up my hits, and that's all that matters!

66'788'369 - 2554 Hits - 49'52

EDIT: Also, Valgar, I'd be cool if you would put if the player got Perfect Bonus or not. Like how Greng notes when people get Perfect Air in Mr Driller.

Alright, I'll add that in from now on.

^_^

69'191'805 - 2577 Hits - 50'07

Yay, another active player!

Like Mister DAN, I'd been making too many stupid mistakes, so I stopped playing for a little while. But I felt like playing today, did a run, and ended up with ~84.4 million. A shame I didn't get the Perfect Bonus; I would have almost broken 90mil.

I think that run is the best I've ever done at not getting hit... I didn't get hit until Brad & Leda, and I got all the way from the second Mole Seemer to just before the Larva Seemer without getting hit.

My time that run was 49:29... why is my time so much lower than Monkey's and DAN's?

Is there a way to kill all the enemies Kachua summons? I'm not getting enough HITs on that level, and I have a feeling it's because of that particular section.

(Side note: when Kachua summons the ring of enemies, you can get her to summon replacements if you kill them fast enough. I usually get one extra, but I managed two once. How many do you get?)

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Almost 650, if I recall correctly. I may have gotten higher and not noted it, though, but I get around 635-640 on average.

If you start shooting the ring of Kachua summoned enemies slightly off center to the right and then moving inward to the center of the screen while still shooting, you can usually take out two cronies and get them replaced before kachua starts spinning them around with her MAD AKIRA-ESQUE PSYKO POWAZ!!!!!1111

The Jabu Jabu's Belly dungeon in Master Quest was REALLY odd...

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If you start shooting the ring of Kachua summoned enemies slightly off center to the right and then moving inward to the center of the screen while still shooting, you can usually take out two cronies and get them replaced before kachua starts spinning them around with her MAD AKIRA-ESQUE PSYKO POWAZ!!!!!1111

The Jabu Jabu's Belly dungeon in Master Quest was REALLY odd...

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Okay... anyway... what's your strategy before that, when she throws like 50+ guys at you? I usually stay on one side, and shoot as many as I can while slicing whenever straglers fall near me.

Nobody?

On 1-2, I can get about 200 HITs by Radan, then I get about 70 from Kachua's first mad attack, and end up with about 300 by the end. To get 70, I just sweep the cursor back and forth, focusing on where the most enemies are coming from, and walking side to side to move it faster. That's the only spot I miss a notable number of enemies, and improving there is the only way I can think of to reach Valgar's target 320 HIT.

Haven't posted in a while... And I am starting to NEED to play this game again... Almost done with Wind Waker.

I just have a question, not sure if anyone would know the answer...

I need to know the name of the artist who is responsible for much of Treasures production art, namely S&P and Ikaruga... It looks like the same artist, and I love the style... Does anyone know who that is?

Yasushi "D" Suzuki

That is some lovely art. Quite... elegant.

I'm getting fed up with not being able to improve 'cause I'm not playing it regularly enough. I need a better score. I almost beat my old score just now, even though I wasn't doing a very good run, but I let one of those huge fireballs through and missed the Perfect Bonus. Gyah!

The lowest HIT on my high score table for normal is 2800... I just turned on S&P to check what the lowest score was, a message in Japanese popped up when it came on but I didn't notice it until right when I hit start, so I didn't have any time to read it, and now all my saved data is gone. ;_;

Arg... That's shitty Strangeness... I understand your pain.
Watch out for that 'mysterious' option in the bottom right of the main menu... I erased my data once because I was curious as to what it did... I did the same thing in Bangaioh once :curse:...


I keep thinking I should play this more, and I WILL... but Ikaruga is just too fun... I should start posting in that board to.

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The lowest HIT on my high score table for normal is 2800... I just turned on S&P to check what the lowest score was, a message in Japanese popped up when it came on but I didn't notice it until right when I hit start, so I didn't have any time to read it, and now all my saved data is gone. ;_;

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I got that once, it was data corruption.

I was wondering what people's favorite musical tracks from S&P are?

I think this game has a pretty great soundtrack despite it being universally riduculed as too "80s guitar-riff retro".

My favorite track is 'Agave'(training mode and 2-1) followed closely by 'Solid Line'(intro)... How about you guys?

I couldn't say... Blood Infactor is cool, as is Heroine 'A', Spiral Up Fortune is really catchy... hell, it's all great.

This topic was nearing the bottom of the thread list... In that case is it right to 'bump' it back up if you are emotionally(or otherwise) invested in the topic? Will it disappear if it reaches the bottom?

And Astroblue... Does your new avatar mean that you've imported the GBA Astroboy game?

yah

New high score for me :).

13,889,989/938 hits/23m 23s

"I'll check it out, Just keep the elevator moving TAH!"
*bump*

I've been making some videos on practice mode. I figure this is a good way to show people my strategies, and maybe some of you have some better ones you could tell me. ^_^

So far, I have:

0-0: 472,467; 344 HIT (yeah, this one is pretty messy)
1-1: 2,401,350; 305 HIT
1-2: 2,380,205; 306 HIT
1-3: 307,483; 3 HIT
2-1: 3,707,442; 164 HIT

Edit: improved the 1-3 video by 1200 points. Doesn't anybody post here anymore?

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Doesn't anybody post here anymore?

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I'll start sometime soon, once I acquire this gem, probably within the next month or so. Hopefully. |-)

I downloaded that 1-3 vid. The game looks fantastic, and you play it well. :)