SOCOM's one minor flaw

Don't get me wrong, SOCOM is a great game, in muliplayer at least, but there's one thing that really bugs me about this game. YOU CAN'T SEE YOUR GUN IN FIRST PERSON MODE! What kind of bullshit is that. Never in my life have I seen a first person shooter where you can't see your gun. Actually seeing the gun in your hand, shooting and reloading really adds to the experience of an FPS, so what were they thinking when they said "Eh, I don't think the gun should be visible in first person mode". Yeah, you can play in third person mode, but it's just not as good as first person would be. Does this bother anyone else?

Maybe they are shooting the little cricket in actuality and you just can't see it..

I turn off the gun graphics in FPSs that support it to give myself a better view of the environment. Some guns can get quite large and take up excessive screen real estate.

I hate not being able to see my gun in an FPS. All FPS games should have an option for both views, with gun and without. That way everyone's happy.

I alway think it is funny to see a FPS where the character walks around with a handgun in front of them all the time, must be tiring :lol:

This is the least of Socom's problems. The biggest problem is that it's a terrible game.

Well it's not the game I thought it would be, but it's decent. That no gun thing just bugs me though.

Most of the time your running around with the gun NOT in front of you, anyway. And Cloud, go on AIM.

Yeah but that's not the point. It's just stupid to not have the gun there.

It's stupid to have the pic of a gun there when there is no gun there in actuality.

It's an imaginary gun.

Stop trying to justify the pure retardedness of not having the gun visible.

He could just hold his empty hands out. You could maybe even flick off the enemy while running by them...

I like being able to see my gun, it lets me keep better track of what I'm carrying. One of my friends has been playing multiplayer Half-Life on PS2 lately and is ticked because they don't show the gun, and he can never remember if he's currently armed with the pistol or, say, the rocket launcher.

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Some guns can get quite large and take up excessive screen real estate.

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Only if you play UT.

Mech, SOCOM tells you what gun you are carrying on the bottom left. Or you could just use 3P.

Eh, I like having my gun visible when playing a FPS. It helps me aim better, and I like knowing exactly what weapon I have chosen. Plus, I dig those crrraaazzy reload animations! :)

Yeah, the reload animations in CS are fuckin awesome.

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Originally posted by Rich
Mech, SOCOM tells you what gun you are carrying on the bottom left. Or you could just use 3P.

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I haven't actually played SOCOM yet, so I don't know a lot of what it does and doesn't do. This is the only game I can think of where they would list the gun on-screen, but I wonder why not just show the gun? I suppose they probably have a reason just as stupid as the one for excluding kb&m support.

And why would I want to use third-person? Is there a lot of platform-jumping?

And the sounds too. In CS I mean.

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Originally posted by Mfkzt
This is the least of Socom's problems. The biggest problem is that it's a terrible game.

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This man stole my post :lol: Then of course, Im against any FPS that makes you free look without a keyboard and mouse (With the exceptions being GoldenEye and Perfect Dark, the controler was perfect for it when you used the Turok-like controls). I got to play it this past weekend (Online only, single player seemed interesting though) and the people who play are more annoying than people on public Counter-Strike servers. I knew it was a bad idea to ship the game with headsets. You see, the reason why headsets worked so well in lets say, Counter-Strike, was because the people who were serious about it are typically the people who used headsets. With SOCOM, you're giving voice communication to every Joe Moron in Bum-Fuck, Wherever USA, so half the game you have someone yelling "YOU ALL FAGS......YOU'RE ALL GAY....HUHUHUHUH....FAGS.....GAYGAYGAYG" and you get the point.

Play wise? Eh...it does the trick for consoles, but whenever it comes to doing anything remotely complicated, or something that requires speed, I kept getting frustrated with the limitations of the controler. Its not like a mouse where you can whip it around in less than a second.

End rambling :bang:

Because 1P closed your view in too much, and you can see real reloading (mo cap suits from seals) from 3P. :) And in the bottom left where how much ammo you got and your clips, it's got the gun name. Besides, you only use one type of machine gun, and never use your handgun. So who needs to see it.. In 1P you don't see alot, so the gun would block half of your view..

SL1P you can change the options to be able to turn around within less than a second.

I don't know, but I would sure like to know what that reason is.

Rich: Hmm...I will look into this. I'm not sure if I'll be as comfterable..cause you gotta have THE WHIP...YAKNOWHATIMSAYINNNNNN? ;p

Theres just something that feels so wrong about playing an FPS like SOCOM with a controller..

Ok I have to step in and say something, did it ever cross your minds that maybe the perspective isn't from behind the gun and more of at the point of the gun... if that is the case the gun would not be visable, on scoped rifles you don't see the barrel anyway so there isn't a problem there, I guess it just comes down to preference but I don't think it was a flaw :)

OK. Lets refer to it as "Socom's major mistake in game design" seeming as it was intended.

PS: I think they left it out to save Polys...

The whole thing is SOCOM isn't a FPS since it only changes view when you zoom in while most of the game is played in a 3rd person perspective... MGS2 is more of a FPS then SOCOM is :p

Hmmmm an online shooter thats meant to played in third person? Just doesn't sound right to me.

.....I'm going to watch Aqua Teen Hunger Force - The Moonites right now, thanks to the beautiful avatar of Cloud. Maybe I will return from the depths of divx with some new quotes.

And yea, this is genre-creating shit right here. Welcome to SOCOM, the TPS (no, not tony hawk, figure it out) that relies on stealth and consumes the lives of those whom fall in it's path like myself.
SOCOM really shouldn't be compared to any other FPS, since most of them are run and guns which benefit greatly from FP, while as SOCOM relies on stealth and spotting far away enemies in camoflauge thus benefitting from the third person view. (greater area of view)

You have the greatest avatar ever, Cloud. Just thought you should know.

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Ok I have to step in and say something, did it ever cross your minds that maybe the perspective isn't from behind the gun and more of at the point of the gun...

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But then you'd be running into walls a foot or so before you actually reach them, and your view for placement would be off... that'd be stupid.

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In 1P you don't see alot, so the gun would block half of your view..

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That would just be bad design. Of course, that seems to be the norm here...

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SOCOM really shouldn't be compared to any other FPS, since most of them are run and guns which benefit greatly from FP, while as SOCOM relies on stealth and spotting far away enemies in camoflauge thus benefitting from the third person view. (greater area of view)

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Well then how about the games it is like? Should it be compared to those? And isn't using a higher camera to spot people hiding kind of removing the purpose of hiding? You know, the whole "out of line-of-sight" thing? That rather takes out most close-range strategies and cheats for peeking into areas.

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Originally posted by MechDeus
But then you'd be running into walls a foot or so before you actually reach them, and your view for placement would be off... that'd be stupid.

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Not really, if you ran into a wall with your gun drawn would you hit at the front of the gun or would your gun and arm mysterously go through the wall so you face could hit ;)

And as far as placement I prefer that view, it gives you a better view of the area and you really don't need to have the behind the gun view because it has no real use and just takes up space :)

Thanks Andy, I appreaciate that. The credit should be given to the guys who created those characters though. Pure genious.

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Originally posted by Werewolf
And as far as placement I prefer that view, it gives you a better view of the area and you really don't need to have the behind the gun view because it has no real use and just takes up space :)

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No, it gives you the same view of the area, just a foot or so ahead. Imagine trying to to jump or place yourself on a ledge when your view is further ahead then your characters placement. That's just... silly.

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Originally posted by MechDeus
No, it gives you the same view of the area, just a foot or so ahead. Imagine trying to to jump or place yourself on a ledge when your view is further ahead then your characters placement. That's just... silly.

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For a FPS that would be a bad placement since that is all you see is that view, you don't exactly move around in that view in SOCOM it is just to zoom in on a target to shoot not to run around and jump in like a FPS, all that takes place in the 3rd person perspective which is alot better then the tunnel view of a FPS IMO ;)

The fact that we're arguing opinions is funny.. =P And I agree with Werewolf, anyways.

yeah I agree with Werewolf. I have no problems with it at all. As far as I'm concerned I like playing the the 3rd person. And I LIKE using the controller. If you dont like online consoles games dont play them and stop bitching about them every single time a new one comes out. Mouse and KB BELONGS on the PC. If console FPSs never ever use them thats fine by me.

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As far as I'm concerned I like playing the the 3rd person.

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And yet no one can answer my question regarding that.

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And I LIKE using the controller. If you dont like online consoles games dont play them and stop bitching about them every single time a new one comes out.

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Actually, it's pretty much just been this and Halo, and Halo was long after it came out.

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Mouse and KB BELONGS on the PC.

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No more so then gamepads only belonging on consoles.

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Originally posted by MechDeus
And why would I want to use third-person? Is there a lot of platform-jumping?

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I will answer it for you ;)

There is alot more climbing and jumping then you standard FPS, climbing up ledges and ladders jumping over railings and crates... but the biggest advantage where the 3rd person view comes in is team play because when you cover a teams back you can point away from them and still be able to see the team to follow giving them good support from back attacks :)

Okies, that makes more sense. (See, explaining can help.)

Also, if I may, how about my second question regarding 3rd-person:

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And isn't using a higher camera to spot people hiding kind of removing the purpose of hiding? You know, the whole "out of line-of-sight" thing? That rather takes out most close-range strategies and cheats for peeking into areas.

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Originally posted by MechDeus
And isn't using a higher camera to spot people hiding kind of removing the purpose of hiding? You know, the whole "out of line-of-sight" thing? That rather takes out most close-range strategies and cheats for peeking into areas.

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Not really, although it does make it easier to see if someone is rushing you from the side or tell which direction shots are fired from if you are good at hiding it is very hard to find you or other people, plus camo helps when hiding in brush areas not to mention there are tons of spots you can hide :)