Japanese Developers Safe Haven?

**MrKasualUltra2000** · 26 Nov 2002, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by StriderKyo

Does that mean Vectrex 2 is right around the corner?

no....Pong 2010.

**burgundy** · 26 Nov 2002, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by TracerBullet
They're not like some like some NPC moster or anything.. "Where's Square? I guess it's gone... I'll just randomly re-target and gather the publsihing rights to some other completely unrelated developement house." Excpet Mosters don't care about publishing games and probably don't even play RPGs.

ºTracer

True, but in order for a contract to be entered into, both parties have to agree. Who says Enix Square has any interest in renewing the relationship?

**MrKasualUltra2000** · 26 Nov 2002, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by Shin Johnpv
Enix bought Square

and its pretty well known Capcom has never been happy with Sony so im not surprised that Capcom is throwing support to the Cube now that Nintendo has a system using disc drives instead of cartridges

You heard this at Funcoland I assume.

**Jimmy Carter** · 26 Nov 2002, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by MrKasualUltra2000
You heard this at Funcoland I assume.

Johnpv is right. It's well known information that Capcom's relationship with Sony has never been very good. Sony tried to stop Capcom from making a 2D Mega Man game, so Capcom threatened no RE sequel; Sony caved, Capcom got their way, but the relationship has been strained.

**Tracer** · 26 Nov 2002, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by burgundy
True, but in order for a contract to be entered into, both parties have to agree. Who says Enix Square has any interest in renewing the relationship?

Because they would have to rely on Enix USA's distrobution. I don't think that sounds like a a good plan.

ºTracer

**burgundy** · 26 Nov 2002, 06:05 PM

Square has been losing money hand over fist. Maybe they have other plans for distribution.

This is the part where Lucas is supposed to say "yeah, like nintendo."

**MrKasualUltra2000** · 26 Nov 2002, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by Jimmy Carter
Johnpv is right. It's well known information that Capcom's relationship with Sony has never been very good. Sony tried to stop Capcom from making a 2D Mega Man game, so Capcom threatened no RE sequel; Sony caved, Capcom got their way, but the relationship has been strained.

I know, I'm just flaming him, we have that kind of relationship, ya know?

**Jimmy Carter** · 26 Nov 2002, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by MrKasualUltra2000
I know, I'm just flaming him, we have that kind of relationship, ya know?

Oh, my apologies then! But on the side, that is my favorite smiley of them all.

**Tracer** · 26 Nov 2002, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by burgundy
Square has been losing money hand over fist. Maybe they have other plans for distribution.

This is the part where Lucas is supposed to say "yeah, like nintendo."

Often contracting that out ends up cheaper. I'm not sure if it still goes down like this but EA publishes Capcom in Europe.

ºTracer

**plik** · 26 Nov 2002, 06:54 PM

what about this statment from shinji mikami?

http://www.gamesarefun.com/cgi-bin/n...7325461,25781,

**burgundy** · 26 Nov 2002, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by TracerBullet
Often contracting that out ends up cheaper. I'm not sure if it still goes down like this but EA publishes Capcom in Europe.

ºTracer

Generally, yes, I understand that. But Square hasn't been all that successful lately, and may want to find a new distributor. And Enix may not want to have anything to do with EA.

Or Enix Square might jump right back into bed with EA. I just wouldn't say it's a foregone conclusion.

**PKBMax** · 26 Nov 2002, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by Jeremy
Good stuff. I thnk that the industry is in yet another transition. The JPN developers ruled the 2D realm of gaming, now the U.S. teams are getting their crack at ruling the 3D realm of it. Gaming is cyclical.

Huh?
How could the Japanese rule the realm of 2D gaming, when it was created by American companies?

There were videogames before Nintendo and Sega you know?

The Atari catalog has one hell of a lot of great 2D games.

Originally posted by Yoshi
Western console games have never been great, and are clearly getting better. I don't think Konami, Capcom, Square, Enix, Sega, etc. give a damn how good American PC games are.

What?
Western consoles have never been great? Once again, games existed before Nintendo and SEGA. Western consoles were not only great, but they created the basis for this entire industry.

The business model that the videogame market runs on today was determined to be valid by the success of Western consoles.

Maybe we need a sticky post on the front page to remind everyone, American companies started this industry.

**Yoshi** · 26 Nov 2002, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by plik
what about this statment from shinji mikami?

http://www.gamesarefun.com/cgi-bin/n...7325461,25781,

What about what? That RE4 is exclusive to the Cube and that the other 4 are exclusive to it for at least some period of time based on sales? I'd day that fully supports Lucas' theory.

**Tracer** · 26 Nov 2002, 07:10 PM

Originally posted by burgundy
Generally, yes, I understand that. But Square hasn't been all that successful lately, and may want to find a new distributor. And Enix may not want to have anything to do with EA.

Or Enix Square might jump right back into bed with EA. I just wouldn't say it's a foregone conclusion.

If history is any indication, ENIX USA doesn't want to have anything to do with releasing games here =/

My money is on EA keeping distrobution rights.

**burgundy** · 26 Nov 2002, 07:26 PM

Originally posted by PBMaX
Huh?
How could the Japanese rule the realm of 2D gaming, when it was created by American companies?

There were videogames before Nintendo and Sega you know?

The Atari catalog has one hell of a lot of great 2D games.

Personally, I care very little for Atari games. Atari certainly innovated the art, but Nintendo and Sega perfected it.

Originally posted by Yoshi
What about what? That RE4 is exclusive to the Cube and that the other 4 are exclusive to it for at least some period of time based on sales? I'd day that fully supports Lucas' theory.

I think that's what he was saying.

Originally posted by PBMaX
What?
Western consoles have never been great? Once again, games existed before Nintendo and SEGA. Western consoles were not only great, but they created the basis for this entire industry.

The business model that the videogame market runs on today was determined to be valid by the success of Western consoles.

Maybe we need a sticky post on the front page to remind everyone, American companies started this industry.

American companies started this industry and American companies destroyed it. Nintendo brought console gaming back from the dead after the Western model failed.

Regardless of the fact that the TV was invested in America, I'm still not going to buy an American TV unless the market changes. I'm not at all saying that America doesn't produce good games - just that Atari's dominance didn't mean a damn thing to the industry after 1984.

**MechDeus** · 26 Nov 2002, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by plik
what about this statment from shinji mikami?

http://www.gamesarefun.com/cgi-bin/n...7325461,25781,

Just because they prefer one system and want to develop games on it doesn't mean they're against porting them to other systems for more money. This is Capcom we're talking about here. These are the people who've made more versions of RE1 then most games have in an entire series.

**Lordmrw** · 26 Nov 2002, 08:49 PM

I honest to god hope(yes, hope!) EA renew their contract with Square. If it weren't for their partnership, do you think we would have gotten all those square games in 2000, at the speed they came out?

**Johnny Nighttrain** · 26 Nov 2002, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by plik
what about this statment from shinji mikami?

http://www.gamesarefun.com/cgi-bin/n...7325461,25781,

meh, there's jsut as much as chance of them staying exclusive as there is of them getting ported. im sure they'll stay exclusive, Mikami hates the PS2 and Sony with a passion, and im sure Nintendo will have no problem throwing money bags in Capcoms direction to make sure they don't get ported to the xbox (which im sure Capcom realizes is a waste of their time anyways).

**Andy** · 26 Nov 2002, 11:28 PM

EA's deal with Square is almost exclusively dealing with distribution, guys. EA has the best distribution channels in the US and EU, which is why Square goes with them in the US and Blizzard and Capcom in EU. In exchange, EA's games go through Square's distribution in Japan.

Anyway, apparently Enix Square's relationship with Sony isn't changing, and much of their focus will be on online gaming in the US and Asia.

**Yoshi** · 26 Nov 2002, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by PBMaX
Western consoles have never been great? Once again, games existed before Nintendo and SEGA. Western consoles were not only great, but they created the basis for this entire industry.

The business model that the videogame market runs on today was determined to be valid by the success of Western consoles.

Maybe we need a sticky post on the front page to remind everyone, American companies started this industry.

I think everyone is aware of the pre-crash marketplace. However, that is ancient history, as none of those hardware companies even exist in the market today. For the last 18 years, Japanese developers have dominated the console market. I don't need history lessons, thanks.

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