Official Freddy Vs. Jason thread

[Josh]

You fuckin idiots look too far into the movie! NO ONE WON!!! That's the way they wanted it. You can say oh Freddy won because in the end Jason was dreaming. Riiiiight!! STFU!!

NO ONE WON!!!!!!!1111111111111111

I wish an early, and violent death for you.

[Delta]

fuck off, cunt!! admit it!! NOBODY WON!!!! stop being stupid! you know it! i know it! we all know it! i don't know why you 12-15 year olds have to try to prove your favorite villain won. pathetic, you stupid little fucks!! PATHETIC!!1111onmeone

[Dolemite]

Whatever.

In other news, the new FHM has an interview and pictoral with Monica Keena, who played Lori. Damn, she looks even better in FHM than she did in FvJ. Must be that airbrushing.

Anyway, the first question FHM asked her was, "Who's the sexier maniac: Jason or Freddy?". Her answer: "Jason. Oh yeah. He's this big hockey player, and he doesn't talk too much- or ever. He's a hottie!"

[voltz]

Anyway, the first question FHM asked her was, "Who's the sexier maniac: Jason or Freddy?". Her answer: "Jason. Oh yeah. He's this big hockey player, and he doesn't talk too much- or ever. He's a hottie!"

ok, so just because of the mask he's a hockey player, yeah that really makes sense when he'd be more willing to shove a hockey stick up your rectom.

Wasn't alice the chick getting all those abilities to fight freddy? If that's the case, they should bring her back so she could beat freddy again, then get bashed into a tree via sleeping bag by jason.

[46 and 2]

I really thought I was going to hate this movie. I went in thinking that everything I had known about freddy and Jason would be diminished to complete shit.

But I was wrong.

I actually enjoyed the movie.

Best part is how jason kills the girl from Destiny's Child.


classic.

[Despair]

Well, It slipped few spots at BO, but still brought in another 9 million. Totals should be in around 75-80 mill now.

[Despair]

An interesting post I found on another board.

"I realize FVJ has been hashed to death (pardon pun) recently but due to a solemn compact with my girl, I didn't get to see it until last night. I'll try to make this quick.

I definitely fall into the camp of posters who went in not expecting to be scared (and really only find the original NOEM and Craven's NEW NIGHTMARE as particularly noteworthy, with the original FT13 perhaps worth footnoting as an effective later-era slasher that does a good job exploiting the "imminent fear of bodily injury" motif that slashers trade in) and had quite a rollicking good time, laughing out loud at the audacity of some of the violence and action and how willing the film was to give the audience exactly what it really wanted out of a movie entitled FREDDY VS JASON.

Yes, bad acting, bad lines, bad delivery, too much repetition of basic concept (if it had never been articulated, even by Freddy, I wonder if it would have been obvious anyway) and needless subplots ("your dad killed your mom!")...and yet, still, bloody rollicking.

A few things popped into my mind watching it. I laughed at the local news station being KRGR and at the slightly ridiculous and juvenille concept now in common parlance (thanks "X-Files" for mainstreaming this!) of how all-encompassing a "cover-up" can be (just go and edit-out the local microfiche collection in the library and that'll take care of it). I thought the Sheriff's line about "we've had 4 years of peace" could have been milked for far more pathos (4 years! Dear God, is that all?) and I actually thought a great chance was missed for an emotional linking between the parents and children of Springfield (at least textually if not actually) on the discovery that the parents were really doing the only thing they thought would work to end a seemingly unstoppable slaughter. Instead, as in most teen-aimed movies, the knee-jerk "parents are bad" angle was just played and then dropped (don't worry you modern kids, you're all far smarter than your parents and won't possibly end up like them, lying to your children, living vacant lives, etc). In fact, while Jason's "motivations" (simple as they are) were fairly well spelled out, Springwood and the endless slaughter that's resulted from parents becoming vigilantes and then piling lie on lie, while more fruitful and always at the back of the Freddy concept, was never really used in any character way. But then, we are talking about a glorified wrestling match, so...

I liked Freddy's teeth. Very creepy. I also laughed (in a good way) at Freddy talking directly to the camera and thought it could be interpreted as a cute nod to his last adventure in which he may have realized that there's a "real world" out there (that also can "keep him alive" with sequels as long as people keep remembering him). In fact, what struck me in this movie, as never before in a Nightmare film, is how limited Freddy actually is, considering what his "powers" (to acknowledge the comic-book root of all this) are. I had the realization that despite being a crafty and devious child murderer (they still seem to side-step the molestation angle, wisely I guess for franchise purposes but also cowardly in the "play off real-world atrocities but package them as entertainment" approach. And why is he always killing teenagers - originally the children of his killers, granted, so there was an age-gap there in the beginning - when you'd think it'd be much easier to scare and kill children, and much more devastating to the community he hates so much?) he's actually not very smart or imaginative, is he? Englund did a rather good job with this during the scene of the face-off with the girl who questions his manhood (another de-rigeur concept in teen horror which is predictable and cliche, even if apt and funny in this case), with some nice weasly "body language" that reminded me that Freddy in the real world, while probably stronger than a human being, is still a lot more fragile, impotent and cowardly -as a child-killer would be.

And, hey, where did Jason go during the day in a suburban neighborhood? And how long does it take to walk from New Jersey/Connecticut (F13 never really nailed it down) to Illinois (again, not "canon" - becuase there is none really - but a good guess) and for teenagers to drive there in a van? These aren't really complaints, just funny thoughts that came into my head. By embracing the inherit comic-bookness of the concept, things like real-world geography and logic don't really need to be worried about - which is all actually fine. A real, scary, valid, workable FREDDY VS JASON couldn't be done, I think, without making you realize how bone-headed some of these concepts are (does Jason grow new eyes and limbs while he's sleeping/dead?). I think the film was, in general, the best approach to the material.

I really liked Jason's "dream" home (rotting-tree-trunk-infested, foggy lake with an island of dead bodies) and thought Yu has a really nice hand with some striking images (a flaming Jason cutting a swath through a cornfield, Freddy launching from the lake) and cute touches relating to past movies (that sack the teasing teens put on young Jason's head). I guess, with it doing so well, New Line will be looking for a sequel but, honestly, I can only think of one thing that could work (barring the "VS" proliferation into some incompatible arenas - TCM, HALLOWEEN - Yeah, just what you want, TWO lead baddies who can't speak going at it!). Since this was FREDDY VS JASON, perhaps they should consider JASON VS FREDDY as the follow-up, with Kreuger stuck in the real world, unnable to get back into the dream realm, vastly diminished but still with some minor reality-warping powers, a mad-on for Jason and a camp full of kids to kill. Freddy Takes A Holiday, perhaps? It could be interesting to see Freddy in such a scenario, out of his element, etc."

[Dolemite]

Wasn't alice the chick getting all those abilities to fight freddy? If that's the case, they should bring her back so she could beat freddy again, then get bashed into a tree via sleeping bag by jason.

Heh, the sleeping bag kill was a true classic.

Like the Charles Bronson Avatar, voltz. Nice to see someone give him props. He'll be missed.

Hey, a Freddy Vs. Jason Vs. Death Wish movie would have been cool

[Rumpy]

That's a pretty good review. I agree with some of the points. He has some complaints but knew what it was and why the faults were there. He has some good suggestios too.

Looks like out movie took a tumble this weekend at number 7, but it still pulled in about 8 million (total is $73 million which is just awesome). Some interesting facts I read:

"Combining the opening weekends of the last three Freddy Krueger films together, they tallied $27.8 million while the last five Jason Voorhees outings opened to a sum of $35.5 million. Perhaps fittingly, the last outing in each series made $6.66 million with the Freddy release, New Nightmare, coming in 1994 and Jason X having been dead on arrival (6.5m) iin April of 2002.

I knew Jason X did pretty shitty, but I didn't realize how downright pitiful New Nightmare did. No wonder Craven doesn't want to touch the series anymore.

[Despair]

I know many people like New Nightmare, but I found it be quite dissapointing. While I appreciated its dark approach, and compliment Craven for trying to move away from Joke Freddy, it just didnt work well. I didnt like the son storyline, and while couple of moments were decent, it lacked the visual flair of previous Nightmare films. Plus with Craven concetrating on Scream series, I lost all interest in whatever he was doing. He was all interested in bringing big bucks with Scream films.