On the other foot

[Hero]

so then you stand on your ground. What if it results in your own demise? I wouldn't mind personally, but what if millions of others who don't believe in the same exact thing on relying on my decisions? Should I let them all die for what I believe is right?

It's times like these I'm really glad I'm not a big leader-figure. You have to account for so many factors that you hardly get to act on your own ideas. Sometimes you can, but if it doesn't fall in line with the majority, you face blowback.

Anyway, I just confused myself ^^;

[rezo]

You're saying that the US and israel should build armies
and use them against their enemies while accepting the
loss of innocent people in the territory they're attacking
as acceptable terms towards reaching their goal?

Exactly. I think Israel and the United States should send armies
and special agents to take down enemies even if it means the accidental loss if innocent civlians.

collateral damage is the accepted civilian loss towards completing
an objective. it is not defined as an "accident". If it is, that is not my stipulation, nor is it what I'm talking about. check the other topic. Hiroshima<-- chock full of collateral damages.

How so?

ok, I don't need to explain why its war, so

while accepting the
loss of innocent people in the territory they're attacking
as acceptable terms towards reaching their goal?

which makes sense given my stipulation for collateral damage, and the
practice of such I'm aware of. They don't seem to have much problems
with Urban warfare in Palestine.

its the difference between the practice of the police and the military.

damn, I've thrown myself into this topic, haven't i?

[rezo]

Hero, if those followers genuinely support the ideals,
then they'll be right there with you to the end.

the question is, are you prepared to accept the responsibility.

If you do decide to go against the ideas to lead to
success, then don't pretend you've done the right thing.
you've done the wrong thing. but people won't mind.


Is there a call for doing something wrong at some points?
thats a different discussion. A bit confusing to work through
I might add. but if you want me to go through with some sort
of explanation of what I think, let me know, and I'll do it tonight.
but I don't have the time now.


however, if people who don't believe in what you're doing
are relying on you, then I would think its up to them to
get out there and support what they think is right.

[Pitch]

Originally posted by rezo
You're saying that the US and israel should build armies
and use them against their enemies while accepting the
loss of innocent people in the territory they're attacking
as acceptable terms towards reaching their goal?



collateral damage is the accepted civilian loss towards completing
an objective. it is not defined as an "accident". If it is, that is not my stipulation, nor is it what I'm talking about. check the other topic. Hiroshima<-- chock full of collateral damages.



ok, I don't need to explain why its war, so




which makes sense given my stipulation for collateral damage, and the
practice of such I'm aware of. They don't seem to have much problems
with Urban warfare in Palestine.

its the difference between the practice of the police and the military.

damn, I've thrown myself into this topic, haven't i?

Okay, quick reply.
Collateral damage sounds fair, since sadly with almost any military operation civilians are going to have to die. The purposeful killing of civilians is something I can't say I support.

[innova]

they don't need to leave until osama is found

[rezo]

Collateral damage sounds fair, since sadly with almost any military operation civilians are going to have to die. The purposeful killing of civilians is something I can't say I support.

so its ok for them to die even though they have nothing to do with
the war? Shouldn't that make you against any side that accepts civilian losses, instead of causing you to decide that its ok?
You have been supporting the purposeful killing of civilians, if you're accepting collateral damage as "ok."


whatever. Let this topic die. if you want to say anything, say it in the other one.