Namco and Sega

[Daisuke Jigen]

I'm for whatever keeps UGA in business.

[Johnny Nighttrain]

Originally posted by Jeremy
Thank you for stating your opinion as fact Lucas.

blow me, we're all posting our opinions here.

Originally posted by Will
I don't think Namco owned them at all in those genres and if they did, name their counterparts.

Ridge Racer > Daytona, Sega Rally
Klonoa > Sonic
Time Crisis, Crisis Zone > Virtua Cop, HotD (although HotD is really fuckin up there, great fuckin game).
Rolling Thunder > Shinobi
Tekken, Soul Calibur > Virtua Fighter, Bronx, Vipers, anything.

even classics
Pac, Galaga > Out Run (the best Sega has to compete with from back then).

Originally posted by Will
As for the new Shinobi, I like it alot. Sure it's frustrating as fuck(to me anyways) but I like the new direction they took the series into.

the new direction was easily the lamest shit i've seen in gaming in a while. and to top it off, he works with the police? ugh, Sega reeeeeeeeally fucked that one up.

Originally posted by NotJigen
I'm for whatever keeps UGA in business.

im with that. Rez is better then anything that any of Sega's teams made during the Dreamcast days, and recently. PSO is the second best from Sega in the last 4 years. JetSet would come in third i'd say.

oh, and i forgot to say that i do realize that arguing against Sega at this board is a waste of time, but i'll keep at it for fun.

[Frogacuda]

Originally posted by Lucas Barton
Ridge Racer > Daytona, Sega Rally
Klonoa > Sonic
Time Crisis, Crisis Zone > Virtua Cop, HotD (although HotD is really fuckin up there, great fuckin game).
Rolling Thunder > Shinobi
Tekken, Soul Calibur > Virtua Fighter, Bronx, Vipers, anything.

even classics
Pac, Galaga > Out Run (the best Sega has to compete with from back then).

Highly debatable. I'd disagree with every one of those except the Time Crisis one, and that's because I haven't played the only virtua cop game to come out after Time Crisis (VC3). I agree Galaga is better than outrun, but I think your nuts if you think that's the best game Sega released at the time. Klonoa is astoundingly average, and not even worthy of comparison to any 2D sonics. When Klonoa goes 3D you can bring Sonic Adventure into the argument, but until then Sonic's got alot more classics of higher claibur to his name than Klonoa.

SuperGT>Ridge Racer.

[Will]

Originally posted by Lucas Barton
Ridge Racer > Daytona, Sega Rally
Klonoa > Sonic
Time Crisis, Crisis Zone > Virtua Cop, HotD (although HotD is really fuckin up there, great fuckin game).
Rolling Thunder > Shinobi
Tekken, Soul Calibur > Virtua Fighter, Bronx, Vipers, anything.

In the PSone/Saturn era I can only agree with you on the Tekken and Ridge Racer comparisons because I found them a bit more fun but even then, I wouldn't say they exactly 0wn3d them.

Sonic barely made a presence on the Saturn only to come out during the Dreamcast's time with Sonic Adventure which I thought was pretty awesome barring certain characters. I don't know exactly what Sonic game to compare to Klonoa 1 because of this. Sonic 1 or 2 vs Klonoa 1 and 2 is more like it I guess. I haven't played the PSone Klonoa to be honest but I do have 2 and I like Klonoa alot, but something in 2 left me a bit dry despite its very charming qualities and that ending *sniff*. I thought Virtua Cop 2 was one of the best light gun shooters at the time. Time Crisis was good but I felt that it just didn't reel me in as much.

the new direction was easily the lamest shit i've seen in gaming in a while. and to top it off, he works with the police? ugh, Sega reeeeeeeeally fucked that one up.

Well you can always play as Joe Musashi with unlimited daggers so I thought it recognized the old while maintaining a whole new style. As for the story, its not like GREAT or anything but what other situations can you put ninjas in? I found it kind of interesting that way but I dunno that's just me.

I really only meant the list of games that Yoshi mentioned during mostly the 16-bit days like Sonic, Shinobi, Golden Axe, Streets of Rage, Phantasy Star, Shining, Vectorman and so on to find Namco counterparts to.

Namco is a very solid company don't get me wrong, they're improving every time but back then I just don't think they were highly above anything Sega was doing.

[soundwave]

Originally posted by Lucas Barton
Tekken, Soul Calibur > Virtua Fighter, Bronx, Vipers, anything.

Hate to nitpick but don't you mean Soul Blade/Edge? I personally enjoyed Tekken 3 more but I felt VF2 was the deeper game and I really enjoyed Fighters Megamix. I don't know if you would consider Virtual On as a 3d fighter but that game was great as well. So I don't think Namco really owned Sega in that department.

[xS]

Tekken, Soul Calibur > Virtua Fighter, Bronx, Vipers, anything.

Sega has yet to make a that's better then PacMan or Galaga.

Space Harriers and Fantasy Zone completely crush them.

[Johnny Nighttrain]

Originally posted by xS
Space Harriers and Fantasy Zone completely crush them.

:jest:
you're out of your fuckin mind.

[Frogacuda]

Originally posted by Lucas Barton
:jest:
you're out of your fuckin mind.

Then I must be too

[Lhadatt]

Originally posted by Lucas Barton
:jest:
you're out of your fuckin mind.

Silence, heretical crack monkey!

Tekken over any Sega fighter? You're the one who's out of his mind here.

One definate Sega victory:

[Diff-chan]

Originally posted by Scourge
Like what everyone else said, plus look at it this way: The Genesis was largely ignored by Japanese consumers which means so were Sega games and the add ons, the Saturn was largely ignored by Japanese consumers and Western consumers, which means so were Sega games, and the Dreamcast was largely ignored by Japanese consumers and Western consumers, which means so were Sega games.

There's one flaw in your theory, and its big enough to undermine it completely: arcade games. Sega's arcade games were consistently the MOST POPULAR in Japan, and in fact it was pretty much 100% because of arcade ports that kept the Saturn afloat over there. And while calling something the most popular in arcades is like damning with faint praise here in the USA, arcades still have life in Japan, and definitely did way back in 1996. So, really, the Sega name did have some worth behind it, once upon a time.