Matrix Reloaded

[YellerDog]

Holy Date Rape, Batman!

[FuryFox]

Originally posted by Rumpy
For those looking to get a more philosophical look at Reloaded: http://www.corporatemofo.com/stories/051803matrix.htm

Thanks for that link...I've really been trying to figure this thing out...it's pretty hard to argue with that guy's explanation, since he seems generally much more educated than I (and most, I'd imagine) in terms of that type of analysis.

-and while some sort of conclusive understanding helps the story quite a bit, the pacing was still way off

[EvilMog]

Originally posted by MVS


I mean...this guy actually had the balls to complain! What's up with that? Can't he just enjoy it?

True. Sorry to cut on you Despair. You all should know by now I'm just a simpleton.

[Curtis]

The Zion montage DID have purpose. I don't know about the rest of you, but through the first film I didn't know anything about the humans in Zion, and I didn't give a damn about them at all.

This part of the movie, the dancing and even the sex, was only there to show that, yes, these are people; as real as they can be to us, considering the huge difference in lifestyles. To do say it, they used two different but all the same universal forms of expression humanity uses.

It made them human. It made me care whether the setinals made it. It did it's job.

[Mman]

Yeah, it did it's job, but it was still too long. It could have been done better.

Most people are hung up on it. You know a movie is good when everybody is complaining about a single 3 minutes of the movie.

[ssbomberman]

Originally posted by EvilMog007
Hmm after reading most of this board I wonder if some of you enjoy any movies at all. Some of you are WAY overcritical. Some of you talk as if you write scipts and produce movies yourselves.

Well I would like to write a script someday!!! We are just having fun picking apart the movie. But what it boils down to is just a bad kung fu movie wrapped in millions of dollars in computer effects. I mean, I enjoy the most mindless action film as long as the action is good and Wo Ping is a veteran choreographer, but this film was just boring. If you watch his older stuff, even Crouching Tiger, you see the briliiance that he can produce, even with non-martial artists like Chow Yun Fat, so know it can be done. I think a lot of it was the camerawork, it was too boring, too stationary to be efffective. if you watch some good choreography it will change the camera to make an impact look even more powerful, I didn't feel any of that in the film. But heck it was worth the 7 bucks I paid to watch it...I was just a little disappointed and actually thought the fights in the 1st one were better...

[Curtis]

Heh, I'll be the first to say that it could have done better with about a third of it cut off, but I saw more than one post stating that it was, in fact, pointless.

That is what I was commenting on.

[Captain Vegetable]

I still liked the music. 3 minutes of that beat was decent...it was the visuals that were screwy.

[Omni]

Originally posted by Rumpy
For those looking to get a more philosophical look at Reloaded: http://www.corporatemofo.com/stories/051803matrix.htm

Ahh, thank you. That was very interesting. So many people I've come across complained about all the "talking" in the movie, and I just wanna smack some sense into them. Yeah, God forbid an action movie have some substance.

To anyone who may have thought that the Architect was lying about their being previous Matrices: he wasn't, because they talk about this fact in the first movie as well.

There's something I still don't fully understand, though. I've never really thought about this before, and I might have missed them talk about this in one of the movies, but why are they even fighting inside the Matrix? It doesn't seem like they're accomplishing much inside there (agents seem to be, for all intensive purposes, pretty damn indestrucable) and doesn't the only battle that really matters have to take place in the "real world" anyway? A quest to find the Architect? Maybe, but even that didn't really do anything. Wouldn't busting outta Zion and killing all the Sentinels (as impossible as that seems right now) free them?

And why didn't Neo pull his old "dive inside Smith and blow him up from the inside" trick in this one?

[rezo]

Yeah, God forbid an action movie have some substance.

I didn't find anything particularly substantial about the dialogue in the movie. =\

http://www.corporatemofo.com/stories/051803matrix.htm

Someone needs to do this with Peanuts.


I'd say more, but I'll just assume that whatever else I could add exists somewhere else in the 240+ posts~

[Despair]

It was good to see a "deeper" story in the action film, and I infact liked the storyline, dialogs didnt bothered me a bit, and Matrix mythology is an iteresting one. If only the action matched fun and intensity of the original, it could have been much better film.

Still, there is Hope for Revolutions.

[Delta]

don't get your hopes too high for revolutions. it'll probably be more of the same since it was filmed back to back with reloaded.

here's hoping that after all the directors see how disappointed people were they will change it to make it a more fun and enjoyable film.

if not, say goodbye to any other matrix films that may have been made in the future.

[LOL]

Originally posted by OmniGear
Yeah, God forbid an action movie have some substance.

The complaints are not about the substance of the narrative as much as it is the way it is presented.

The dreadful, stilted pacing and overblown philosophical masturbation was nothing like the smart, natural story flow of the first movie.

[Regus]

Originally posted by OmniGear

There's something I still don't fully understand, though. I've never really thought about this before, and I might have missed them talk about this in one of the movies, but why are they even fighting inside the Matrix? It doesn't seem like they're accomplishing much inside there (agents seem to be, for all intensive purposes, pretty damn indestrucable) and doesn't the only battle that really matters have to take place in the "real world" anyway? A quest to find the Architect? Maybe, but even that didn't really do anything.

What better way to change something than from the inside? They enter the matrix in order to free more minds, which is something that can only be done from within the system, because we all know what happens when some one is unplugged in the real world. Freeing minds is the main goal which drives everything they do. They fight agents and over come other obstacles because they are getting the way of accomplishing this goal.

Wouldn't busting outta Zion and killing all the Sentinels (as impossible as that seems right now) free them?

They barely have enough ships as it is, all those people you saw in that room discussing the machines digging towards zion were all the captins in the fleet. This is hardly what I would call a powerful armada. They would be crushed like a bug if they were to attack the machines head on.

And why didn't Neo pull his old "dive inside Smith and blow him up from the inside" trick in this one?

Because you saw what kind of negative effect doing this had on Agent Smith. Doing it again would be a very foolish thing to do.

[Jetman]

Originally posted by Rumpy
For those looking to get a more philosophical look at Reloaded: http://www.corporatemofo.com/stories/051803matrix.htm

Whoah the lady who played the Oracle died - that I didnt know ...
Fah we probably dont need to see her again anyway as most of the next movie will be outside of the Matrix...er..non Zion Matrix
or whatever....

Wasnt Aaliyah supposed to have been in this movie? I know she died but I heard she had already filmed a couple of scenes? If so I wonder if she was playing the Jada Smith/Nirobi part to begin with or someone different?

[Regus]

According to IMDB:

Actress/Singer Aaliyah was originally cast in the role of Zee but was killed in a plane crash on 25 August 2001.

As for the oracle, she'll be around, check out Enter the Matrix the game for some insights into that.

[Omni]

Originally posted by omfgninjas
The complaints are not about the substance of the narrative as much as it is the way it is presented.

The dreadful, stilted pacing and overblown philosophical masturbation was nothing like the smart, natural story flow of the first movie.

You're right about that, but there's just as many people out there who like bash it cuz they didn't "understand" much of the philosophy talk.

What better way to change something than from the inside? They enter the matrix in order to free more minds, which is something that can only be done from within the system, because we all know what happens when some one is unplugged in the real world. Freeing minds is the main goal which drives everything they do. They fight agents and over come other obstacles because they are getting the way of accomplishing this goal.

That makes sense. I overlooked that fact.

They barely have enough ships as it is, all those people you saw in that room discussing the machines digging towards zion were all the captins in the fleet. This is hardly what I would call a powerful armada. They would be crushed like a bug if they were to attack the machines head on.

I know. That's why I said it seems pretty impossible. They're certainly gonna have to pull something out of their asses in the third movie to overcome this, though.

[Regus]

http://www.corporatemofo.com/stories/051803matrix.htm

Wow, this is some good shit, I highly recommend everyone checks this out.

[MVS]

I'm still trying to figure out what exactly trinity's master plan was.

Okay, if I jump out this window, and shoot thing guy falling down, I'll die when I hit the ground but he'll probably shoot me anyways...

Pretty weak plot device, sans clark kent of course.

[Rumpy]

In case anyone is wondering what happened to Tank...this may be it.

http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml...toryID=2772914

Sucks to be him!