Neo Geo CD Double Speed?

[BEBOPlover]

What can you guys tell me about the Neo Geo CD with double speed? Is it worth 200.00? Is it fast or am I wasting my time?

Thanks for the help guys.

[JMET]

From what ive heard its not quite 2x faster and seems to be more fragile then the allready fragile 1x which I own..

[Click_Stick]

Originally posted by BEBOPlover
Is it fast or am I wasting my time?

Word is - not much quicker than the normal Neo Geo CD.

Don't bother. With either CD system.

[Geruto]

I've heard about this emulator that lets you play the official CD games through your pc cd-rom with reduced loading. Haven't got a clue where to get it though.

[kingoffighters]

I tried the emulator, it is awesome, so much faster than the turd that is the neo cd (I can't imagine waiting 30 seconds in between fights)

[JMET]

I can.. O_o

[plik]

where does one "get" this emulator? can you hook us up with a link?

[negitoro]

All I have to say is... it's all about the juggling monkey.

[child810]

it's faster worth 200 bucks if you don't have the reg cd. CDZ rocks, some older games like viewpoint only load once in the beginning.

[kingoffighters]

I don't recall the exact website, I just punch in the "Neo Geo CD emulator" in google.com

Also, btw, you need the bios and CDs, so the emulator itself does nothing... I have plenty of original Neo CDs so that's why I did it.

[Adrian]

I hope the author releases the source code, I want to play KOF94 CD on my Xbox (the AST is amazing).

[seen]

The source code was released and I read it. It could easily be ported to another system. It is called the Kick Ass Neo Geo CD Emu and it was coded by Fabrice Martinez. I was thinking of porting it to DC myself, but the lack of real debugging and development tools dissuaded me from it. Plus it is hard as hell to get something running on DC. Maybe XBox is easier. I fucking hate GNU.

The only glitch in the emu is that it sometimes doesn't resume the CD-DA sound when un-pausing the emu or starting a new level. Other than that it plays at full speed, and everything is accurate.

[Kinopio]

Originally posted by Click_Stick

Don't bother. With either CD system.

The NEO CD is awesome as long as you stay away from KOF. The arranged BGM in games like SamSho IV and Last Resort are amazingly good. Most games have about as much loading time as a PSone game. With the money you save from buying Neo CDs over carts you can buy a Jap PS2, Jap DC, KOF 98-2001, and Metal Slug 3.

[Daisuke Jigen]

The CDZ has an expanded cache for the CD-ROM controller, allowing it to stream data off the disc in larger chunks, making it load faster.

[Blaine]

Screw the CD.
Buy Jigen's MVS board and supergun it.

MVS is better and competatively priced. Plus it has more games than CD (CD does have SSRPG and IronClad if I'm not mistaken, but eh.)

[Jeremy]

Was 3 Count Bout ever given a Neo Geo CD release? Just off-hand.

[Blaine]

Yes.

[Jeremy]

WAHOO! That increases my desire to own one tenfold.

[Blaine]

Originally posted by Jeremy
WAHOO! That increases my desire to own one tenfold.

Alright but...why?

I've never understood the facination with the Neo CD. The only possible reason I could see is if you have to play one of the handful of games that were CD only (really, Samurai Shodown RPG and Crossed Swords 2 are the cream of that crop. A couple puzzles, mahjong and assorted bonus CDs).

If all you're interested in is a less expensive way to play the Neo•Geo games then the CD should be your third option.

Get a good MVS board (like I said, like the one Jigen is selling, you can plug the controlers right into it, hook up the Memory Card module if that's what you want and his has some bad ass mods).

Jigen is selling his for $150 shipped. You're gonna pay at least that for a Neo CD if you get a good deal (a boxed one in perfect shape can cost double that). But remember, that's the 1x speed CD! People are telling you how bad the load times are on the 2x one! Imagine how bad they are on the regular CD. Some info on the load times. And ready for something no one has mentioned? The CDZ really doesn't load a whole hell of a lot faster and it has a tendancy to overheat. To what degree? Games can crash after only 30 minutes of playing and there have been reports of overheating so extreme that it destroyed the disc.

The double speed CD (CDZ) can be found, but sometimes they're from Japan and pretty expensive. I've seen these things go for all over the price spectrum. Whatever it's going rat is it's probably NOT going to be cheaper than what I suggested.

You can get Jigen's Mobo for $150. You can get a SuperGun for a hundred bucks if you don't mind searching or building one yourself. A cursory search right now and you'll find one for another $150.

And to top it off... you want 3 Count Bout? Only place you can find them easily (that I know of) right now is neo-geo.com, and Shawn is gonna charge you $30 for a copy.

3 Count Bout on MVS will cost you about $10. Hell, if you call the right person the wrong name, they'll probably throw them at you they're so fucking common. Just catch one and run away.

In either case, to get this thing started for yourself, you're paying over $200. If you're ninja super lucky and can score a CDZ for $250...the extra $50 is still worth not having to fuck with load times BEYOND the fact that the NeoCD doesn't have nearly as many games as the MVS (which has even more than the Neo Home system).

Like I said, unless you need Samurai Shodown RPG, there is no reason to get a CD.

[Jeremy]

Well, I loved 3 Count Bout in the arcades, and I'm looking for the cheapest way to play it at home.

[Blaine]

Originally posted by Jeremy
Well, I loved 3 Count Bout in the arcades, and I'm looking for the cheapest way to play it at home.

If you really only wanna play 3 Count Bout then the answer is counterintuitive. Buy a regular cart system.

You can find an old banged up (but working) Neo for about $200, about what you'll pay for a good shaped CD system.

3 count bout only costs about $10 on the home system.

If you ever wanna play any other game, then I can't reccomend you get an MVS enough. for a CDZ you will pay over $200 probably closer to $300...and thats if you can find one and you don't mind the fact that it may melt your discs. You can get a regular CD for $150-$200 but the load times will kill you. Won't be that bad on 3 count bout.

My way, you'll have your system, you'll have your game, all for about the same price and at the end of the day...you'll have a freakin supergun as well. The NeoCD is a one trick pony. You can hook up whatever the hell else you want to the Supergun. CPS-2 for some Puzzle Fighter, F3 for some Elevator Action, ST-V for some Winter Heat, Naomi for some Cosmic Smash or just any dedicated game you want from Pac-Man to Guwange.

Do what you want man. What do I know.

[Jeremy]

I hear ya. Good to know that Neo-Geo cart systems are only $200 now. I got one from a pawn shop for around $100 a few years ago, but I sold it to a friend for $250 since I simply couldn't find games for it. Thanks for the tips on getting the game though. I'm amazed that it's only $10.

[Blaine]

Originally posted by Jeremy
I hear ya. Good to know that Neo-Geo cart systems are only $200 now.

They're not all that cheap. I'm just saying you may be able to find one that someone stepped on a lot, or is melted but still working.

A nice condtion Neo is still expensive as hell and the few places where you can get a NOS one will charge you over $1,000.

But, if you're patient and not picky, you can find a working Neo for under $200.

Originally posted by Jeremy
I'm amazed that it's only $10.

The game is super common in all formats. I wouldn't be surprised if you could get one off of eBay for a buck if you got lucky.

[Jeremy]

I'd rather go with the Neo-Geo site than ebay, since it's only $10. I'm in no rush to get the system, so patience should help me out.

[Blaine]

I don't think Shawn at neo-geo has them in stock. You'd have to go through the forums to find one at that price, which is about as good as eBay unless the seller is a really well known person.

Only other advice I'll share before I go to sleep is this:

3 Count Bout is EXACTLY the same as Fire Suplex (3CB is the US release, FS is the Japanese release). Meaning the US release is exactly the same as the Japanese release, box art and manual not withstanding.

99% of all neo games are bi-lingual, they're coded that way. It just depends on the system that is playing it that determins the language on the screen (games in that 1% of Japanese only are mostly quizes and mahjong)

[Jeremy]

Ah, well, if Shawn doesn't have them in stock, then ebay it is. Thanks for the info on the bilingual stuff.

[bloodyarts]

Damn you, Blaine!!

You've piqued my interest in the MVS and especially Supergun..! I have a Neo CD (1x speed) and love it to death, but yeah, the KOF and Last Blade loads kill me. Also, my favorite game on the system, Waku Waku 7 never enjoyed a CD release!! I've had to play the Saturn version, which isn't bad, but I know the cart version is so much better!

For these reasons (and your effective ad campaign), I am now SERIOUSLY considering going MVS.

Newbie Q's.. (please don't laugh as I'm totally clueless here)

1 - Do Neo CDs work with MVS or is this a cart-only format?
2 - What's the difference betw. MVS and AES?
3 - Is there a huge price diff. betw. MVS and AES games?
4 - Will the Neo pads (not joysticks) work on MVS?
5 - Are rare cart games like WW7, MotW, etc. be easy to obtain for MVS?
6 - Are there any negative points you'd like to mention about MVS?

As for Supergun, it was interesting hearing how you could play multiple systems (or arcade boards) on it..

1 - Why is it called Supergun? I keep thinking it's a Sony peripheral..
2 - How do you obtain the different boards, and how do you go about acquiring games for them?
3 - Must you switch boards to play games, or are all boards supported at once, i.e. I don't have to open my system and exchange ST-V for CPS2 when switching from VF Kids to S. Puzzle Fighter II Turbo..?
4 - What kind of joypad/joystick does it support?
5 - What other alternatives to Supergun are there?
6 - Are there any negative points you'd like to mention about Supergun?

[Yoshi]

1 - Do Neo CDs work with MVS or is this a cart-only format?

MVS is cart-only. In fact, it is MVS cart-only.

2 - What's the difference betw. MVS and AES?

AES is the home system. MVS is the arcade system. They both play carts but different ones.

3 - Is there a huge price diff. betw. MVS and AES games?

Yes. Newly released MVS games are far more expensive. Older AES games are typically far more expensive.

4 - Will the Neo pads (not joysticks) work on MVS?

It depends on the board version. There are some MVS boards that support the MVS/CD controllers.

5 - Are rare cart games like WW7, MotW, etc. be easy to obtain for MVS?

Easier, yes.

6 - Are there any negative points you'd like to mention about MVS?

There are a fair amount of bootleg carts out there. Also, as stated above, the brand new games are a fortune.

1 - Why is it called Supergun? I keep thinking it's a Sony peripheral..

That was the brand name of the original commercially released unit.

2 - How do you obtain the different boards, and how do you go about acquiring games for them?

ebay, various arcade resellers on and offline, and auctions.

3 - Must you switch boards to play games, or are all boards supported at once, i.e. I don't have to open my system and exchange ST-V for CPS2 when switching from VF Kids to S. Puzzle Fighter II Turbo..?

You have to switch.

4 - What kind of joypad/joystick does it support?

Whatever it is wired to support. Commercial 'Guns only support proprietary sticks.

5 - What other alternatives to Supergun are there?

Full cabinets.

6 - Are there any negative points you'd like to mention about Supergun?

Storing dozens of PCBs is a real hassle, as they are bare circuit boards that require extremely careful handling.

[Cheebs]

To elaborate on cart prices between MVS and AES, expect a new MVS cart to hover in the $1000 price range and a new AES cart to hover in the $300 price range. From there, expect the MVS price to plummet to under $100 in about a year and the home cart to either stay put or go up. On really, really old common games (Magician Lord, Cyber Lip, etc), the prices are really cheap no matter what format you get. For other games (Metal Slug, Pulstar), expect the home cart to cost hundreds or even over a thousand (in rare loony cases) more than the $50 MVS cart.

Oh yeah, and I'm sure most of us know this already but I'll repete it for any Neo newbies. The MVS and AES games are 99.999% of the time the exact same code. If you rip the ROM chips out of an AES cart and solder them into an MVS cart, it will even ask you to insert a quarter when you play. The CD games, however, are NOT always the same. Most of the newer CD games have missing background details, smaller sprites, and fewer frames of animation due to RAM limitations in the NEO GEO CD hardware.

[Daisuke Jigen]

Not much left I can say, but I would like to add that Matrimelee debuted at 399.99 on MVS format.