Iron Maiden Found in Uday Hussein's Playground

[Dolemite]

Iron Maiden? EXCELLENT!! *air guitar*

[NightWolve]

Meanwhile where is the outrage in the US over Liberia?
Childsoldiers eating rebels hearts becouse it will make them big strong warriors, civilians killed by the hundreds while for months they have been begging for US intervention, Taylor still there despite Bush his tough talk etcetera.
Tell me when will the outrage over that start?
Or dont you guys care about Liberia since hey its only black Africa?

Where's the Belgium outrage over Liberia? Where's the French, German, Russian, Syrian, or the rest of the benevolent UN (aside from Kofi Annan) outrage and readiness to push forward with troops??? Hm?? Come on, Belgium! U.S. troops are headed to Liberia's coast, jackass. When are the Belgium troops coming? Hm? Or would you rather enjoy criticizing comfortably from afar?

Btw, are you speaking for Jesse Jackson now, who stood alongside with Marxists against the "imperialists" that did everything possible to stop Iraqis from being free (objectively working to keep Saddam in power), but now calls everyone a racist that won't jump in and save Liberia at his behest? Are you racist? Conversely, you seem to have sent the message of "You shouldn't have gone into Iraq and help Arabs, but go into Liberia NOW and help blacks." Make up your mind!

We don't care about black Africa, is that right? Is that why 15 billion is gonna go into helping with the AIDS epidemic? Ok, um, is Belgium helping Africa in any way? Or are you too busy worrying about establishing WORLD juris-my-dick-tion for your international court so you can try Sharon, Bush, Rummy for WAR CRIMES??!?!?! Oh, and believe me, I DO apologize if I jumped the gun here... but hey, let's give ya credit, despite your issuing of a war crimes charge, Taylor is still there. Seemingly, all bark with no teeth... Which pretty much decribes you, always here barking.

[Critical Overdrive]

And the game begins anew...

[Rick]

Uday was a real trooper.

*ba-dum-chhha*

EDIT: Also, this article is dated in April.

[frostwolf ex]

Meanwhile where is the outrage in the US over Liberia?
Childsoldiers eating rebels hearts becouse it will make them big strong warriors, civilians killed by the hundreds while for months they have been begging for US intervention, Taylor still there despite Bush his tough talk etcetera.
Tell me when will the outrage over that start?
Or dont you guys care about Liberia since hey its only black Africa?

and ali, we are sending guys there, as is the UN, but the thing is, africa is a mess all around, just because we are seeing people from liberia begging for help dosent mean that there arent people in rwanda who arent begging for help too, unfortunatly the continent of africa is a political nightmare that the whole world, and yes,that includes the benevolent europeans,have left to get worse. We would be radically overextended trying to fix all the civil wars and human rights abuses of that conitinet. Yes, we have many weapons, but there is a limit to how much we can deploy, frankly,i think the UN, if they want to regain some legitimacy, should work towards mopping up the humanitarian abuses in africa,that would indicate that they actually serve a purpose.

[Almaci]

[QUOTE=frostwolf ex]

This is old news, this was reported right after Baghdad fell to US forces.
And urm weve known about the cruelty of this family for several decades now, yet it never seemed to be a problem for the US troughout the 80s since hey the enemy of my enemy is my friend right?

QUOTE] you know, i have been mulling this over for a while now,and since you are the resident european us hater on the boards, i was wondering if you could explain something. What did europe do to prevent saddam's cruelty and torture following the gulf wars. we know that france openly conducted business with him,and that russia had a oil contract with iraq,so where was the enlightened hand of europe to help root out the problem that you seem to say was clear to everyone but the stupid americans? Its one thing to criticize the people who take action, but what action was taken by the europeans? the us used him to blance out the soviet influence in iran, we used a killer dog to fight our enemie's killer dog, if europehad a more enlightened way to handleit, why didnt they assert themselves? I see a lot of retrospective criticism of us cold war policy from europe now that the soviet union is broken and relatively harmless,but i didnt see much when i was a kid and russia(or more correctly, the U.S.S.R) was looming just over the border. Im not callign you out here or trolling you, i genuinely want to know what europe did to help the current suituation so that it didnt get this far.

EDIT:and yes,when i first say the thread title, i thought they were talking about the band's cds too.

Iran is an entirely different story, the reason that country took a swing to right wing religious extremism was becouse the US had backed a dictator after having helped him overthrow a democraticaly elected government there.

See now here is a lot of stuff I actually agree on.
Itl have to wait for some other time tough.
Its 7am and im pooped.

[frostwolf ex]

Iran is an entirely different story, the reason that .
Its 7am and im pooped.

7am good grief man, get some sleep,tnl aint THAT important.

[Almaci]

Dont worry, work ended at 6am, I do constant nightshift.
just dont feel like posting stuff that requires tought right now, especially not on stuff i agree abouth.

[NightWolve]

I see a lot of retrospective criticism of us cold war policy from europe now that the soviet union is broken and relatively harmless,but i didnt see much when i was a kid and russia(or more correctly, the U.S.S.R) was looming just over the border.

That's REALLY putting it nicely Frostwolf... :P
-Quick History:

Urm Khomeini gained power becouse of the ironfist rule of the US backed Shah, he was a dictator who rose to power with help from the CIA after overturning a democraticaly elected progresive government that wasnt to the liking of the US.

Wasn't the "democratically elected progressive government" run by a guy who had enacted martial law for a few years in advance of the coup? The guy was allied with pro-Soviet political parties, and had that government stayed in power, Iran probably would've gone over to the Russians fairly soon afterward. Yeah, the Shah was a fascist, but his rule was better than what life would've been like under the USSR, and it was a hell of a lot better than life under the Mullahs has been for the last 20 years.

Another one of those situations where Iran was faced with three bad options - the Shah was the best of the three. Again, it's another difficult geopolitical choice that offers the left opportunity for attacking US foreign policy if you're willing to ignore the necessity of making hard choices.

Reference: http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/s...ed+progressive

A full thead on Iran there... The full phrase btw is "a democratically elected progressive leader that wasn't to the liking of the US." which can apply to Hitler even. Anyway, Stone had gone to great lengths to put "democratically elected government" into context, but as you can see, Ali doesn't say why the US did it. He'll keep repeating it over and over so that you make ONLY positive associations with the phrase "democratically elected" while leaving out the rest of the facts. His usual case of "spin doctoring," and now a casual insinuation of RACISM with the first post which wasn't backed up...

[James]

Point- we had no business in Iraq. We're there now and it's too late to back out without leaving the country worse than when we went in, but we didn't really have the right to do what we did. It's a big fucked up world and Saddam was by no means the worst it had/has to offer.

We didn't go to Iraq for human rights abuses, we didn't go to Iraq for fear of their amazing WMD powers. We went because they have something we want.

Anyway, I'm quite happy about Saddam's kids being dead. Disgusting and contemptible little bastards, as long as we're there we might as well do something useful.

James