Scientists trying to clone Wooly Mammoth

[Chihiro]

Well your still creating life... So a test tube baby is not alive or human?

Anyway this is the new evolution of man kind eventually years from know we will have to find ways to preserve our race if something bad happens.

Anyway watch shows like X men... X Men were not consider human and a threat to society. They were treated horribly... A clone doesn't have a choice to exist. So you are going to harm them just because you feel they are not human?

[BioMechanic]

Well your still creating life... So a test tube baby is not alive or human?

Nope - at least, not in the same way.

Anyway this is the new evolution of man kind eventually years from know we will have to find ways to preserve our race if something bad happens.

Humanity spans less than the blink of an eye (a couple thousand years) in comparison to the lifespan of the universe (billions). Why should we be preserved? Humans are inconsequential on a cosmic scale.

Anyway watch shows like X men... X Men were not consider human and a threat to society. They were treated horribly... A clone doesn't have a choice to exist. So you are going to harm them just because you feel they are not human?

Mutants, if they were the product of natural evolution and not the result of genetic tampering in a lab, are just as human as a "normal" human. I view that story arc of X-Men as a metaphor for racial intolerance. Ever see Mask? Same kind of thing...he was just as human as everyone around him, even more so.

I never said I'd advocate violence against clones and want them all wiped out of existence. I'm saying I wouldn't consider a clone to be the equivalent of a natural human.

[SapphirePhoenix]

Perhaps humanity's errors shouldn't be made up for?

I agree with that statement. I think it's all well and good to want to "make up" for destroying entire species (plant and animal). But what do you think would happen to the ecosystem in which the animal that has been extinct, for a century or more, do to the habitat that has adapted and survived without it? There could be unforeseen consequences other than the recognizable ones, such as, food chain issues. And to those who would say,"Survival of the fittest," since we humans are the "fittest" and we're natural, that whatever we do is natural. So you're saying that if we bring an animal or whatever, to wherever we want, that that is the natural order. I say,"BULLSH*T". Here's a silly example of an animal artificially migrating to a non-indigenous habitat: The Simpsons episode where Bart brings a bullfrog to Australia and sets it free. Bullfroggy overran that b*tch in no time.

About cloning:

I believe it can help alot of people (tissue/organs, a ready food supply, etc.) What about the long-term cost? Humans are notoriously short-term thinkers. It also further complicates the judicial/legal system (new laws to cover it, and more loopholes for corruption), and it will never be settled in the matter of ethics. It's right, it's wrong....it's right, it's wrong. Also, doesn't anyone read Science Fiction (Fiction, yeah yeah, blah blah blah - Some old Sci-Fi stories have come true in recent times.)? So, I guess my stance is no to cloning.

[Lobo]

No, that’s why pencils have erasers. Fuck ups should be fixed.

[SapphirePhoenix]

No, that’s why pencils have erasers. Fuck ups should be fixed.

That still doesn't answer my question about the inevitable problems if the extinct species is re-introduced.

[Lobo]

It's not like they are gonna go all Sith Empire or anything and create a whole army of them. They are gonna make one, and that’s a very optimistic guess, and it's going to live its short life in a cage being poked at by scientists. Best-case scenario is if they perfect the project they clone a few and some of the biggest zoos in the world get them.

[Gutsman]

But I don't think ecology changes that quickly. We're talking about hundreds of years, that's a wink in terms of nature's timescale.

For example the Passenger Pigeon numbered in the billions in the US as recently as the 1800's. I don't see how re-introducing a limited number of them would destory the ecological balance. I mean it's not as if we're cloning Raptors and letting them loose into the Amazon.

[SapphirePhoenix]

I guess my policy is to overreact than underreact .

[Calliander]

If I don't have six copies of me in another thirty years, I'm going to be very upset with you all.

Interesting......so you make no distinction between an artificial process and a natural process? Say in one hand you've got an organically grown orange. In the other, you have an orange that was brought into existence by cloning, saturated with preservatives, irradiated, and coated with insecticide. Would you find them to be both natural? Would you find them equal? Which would you prefer eating?

I'm not trying to be an ass - I'm honestly interested in your perspective. Nothing personal.

No offense taken.

Both oranges are the same to me.

However, if the one is still coated with the insecticide and hasn't been washed, I'll eat the other one. Hehe.

[bandit]

Next on agenda list. Cloning of Godzilla.

Nah, T-Rex