The Genocide in Rwanda

[Stone]

You missed my point. I am saying that ALL governments are self serving bunch of pricks. As for genocide, there wasn't even an attempt at that. It was dictatorship with an iron fist plain and simple. He simply killed those who got in his way.

You're wrong. Saddam's treatment of both the Kurds and the Marsh Arabs undoubtedly qualifies as genocide.

And FYI the war started when the Americans were led to believe that there was an imminent threat to their country based on weapons inspectors findings. Even hanz Blix or whatever admitted that the claims were exaggerated.

FYI, the war started for a number of reasons significantly more complicated than that.

And you have no idea how effective child soldiers are in guerilla warfare. It is a proven fact that adult soldiers hesitate to kill child soldiers and children make the best brain washable soldiers. It is the key reason why these terrorists survive even though they are outnumbered by the opposing forces.

The key reason terrorists survive is because they've learned to tap into the might of kid soldiers? You know how stupid that sounds? Yeah, children are useful in a guerilla environment for the reasons you mentioned, but they aren't some sort of terrorist magic weapon - of course, Frostwolf was right when he wrote: "modern armies could have routed a bunch of ragtag rebels and child soldiers".

We could have and should have intervened then. Hell, Wolfowitz and most of the people who are currently being called neocons were pounding the drum for intervention in '94 too - Rwandan intervention.

[salmonax]

The key reason terrorists survive is because they've learned to tap into the might of kid soldiers? You know how stupid that sounds? Yeah, children are useful in a guerilla environment for the reasons you mentioned, but they aren't some sort of terrorist magic weapon - of course, Frostwolf was right when he wrote: "modern armies could have routed a bunch of ragtag rebels and child soldiers".

I think what he meant was that terrorist organizations rely on indoctrinating children at an early age in order to replenish their pools of cannon fodder. Many Muslim countries have a huge population of minors (IICR, in Saudi Arabia 50% of the population is under 20), coupled with high unemployment equals a lot of undeveloped minds eager to absorb whatever apeshit philosophy that gives them a sense of purpose.

What happened in Rwanda is unfortunate, but hardly uncommon for our species. Kofi Annon said he pleaded with over 80 countries to send troops, but not one did.

[Damian79]

The key reason terrorists survive is because they've learned to tap into the might of kid soldiers? You know how stupid that sounds? Yeah, children are useful in a guerilla environment for the reasons you mentioned, but they aren't some sort of terrorist magic weapon - of course, Frostwolf was right when he wrote: "modern armies could have routed a bunch of ragtag rebels and child soldiers".

We could have and should have intervened then. Hell, Wolfowitz and most of the people who are currently being called neocons were pounding the drum for intervention in '94 too - Rwandan intervention.

So how does the tamil tigers seemingly have the upperhand in the war in Sri Lanka when they were outnumbered. And kid soldiers are insanely well trained, from where I come(Sri Lanka), they all have cyanide pills around their necks and aren't afraid to use it. You should hear some of the stories, like how this girl put a grenade between her chest when she got captured and blew herself up when they got close to her killing them.

Do some rearch on kid soldiers before you say they aren't effective weapons. Go through some UNICEF reports againt use of children in wars, to see how much these go through and how effective they are.

And when I said key, I didn't mean like it was the only reason either. Things like fake charities etc also play big parts.

You're wrong. Saddam's treatment of both the Kurds and the Marsh Arabs undoubtedly qualifies as genocide.

Undoubtably? I didn't know draining water, and thus killing a lifestyle is proof of genocide. Are Americans guilty of commiting genocide against native indians?

FYI, the war started for a number of reasons significantly more complicated than that.

Right, like Americans would have gone to war if they didn't feel Iraq was an imminent threat.

[Almaci]

yadda yadda. spare me the partisian bullshit, as you recall, the fight was originally started by saddams refusal to allow weapons inspectors into his palaces and "private" facilities, it snowballed from there. but you are not answering the questions i asked! If bush is evil and the un and european allies are good, then how could they sit back and allow this genocide to happen. inaction lead to death, and modern armies could have routed a bunch of ragtag rebels and child soldiers, but they didnt, so the question remains, what moral authority does the un have when they failed to act?

No it wasnt, check up on facts, he did allow the palaces and whatever to be inspected.

As for Rwanda the things that went on there are stomach churning and I still cant believe that they were allowed to go on while the world stood by and knew it was happening, a Belgian priest in the early days of the conflict had a radio addres there where he incited the violence as well.

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/meast/9804/04/iraq/

Here is a link from 1998 talking about palace inspections.

The palace inspections are one of the many lies that have turned into so called common knoledge meaning that if someone says he didnt allow his palaces to be inspected people instantly believe it witouth questioning it.
other examples are for instance that he threw the inspectors out in 98, its false as well as they left becouse Clinton gave them a week to leave before resuming bombings on Iraqi targets.

Its sickening that so called free press who reported on the voluntary leaving instead of being thrown out of UN inspectors and reported on the palace inspections and compliance with demands doesnt call up on those who spread those lies these days and allows the public to get brainwashed into believing things that are simply not true.

Liberal antiwar press my ass.

[JM]

JM: America's iraqi fiasco doesn't measure up to alot of the fucked up shit going on elsewhere (look at MVS' list). Besides, America has done MUCH worse in the past.

I should have added an eye rolling smiley, because my comment about the US doing the right thing in Iraq was sarcasm.

JM

[Almaci]

And of course those who spout lies as fact are nowhere to be seen yet again.

[Almaci]

Today was a day of remambrance in Ruanda for the slaughters that took place a decade ago.

Sadly to add insult to injury the Western leaders all but ignored it.

Sad day.

[station82o]

I'll try to find out if there's going to be any more airdates for that Frontline special, I think alot of people outta see it.

[Almaci]

Its online on PBS, all frontline documentaries are.

[frostwolf ex]

Today was a day of remambrance in Ruanda for the slaughters that took place a decade ago.

Sadly to add insult to injury the Western leaders all but ignored it.

Sad day.

it is sad, but just to clarify, were a lot of eastern leaders talking much about it? you really could do with less of a high horse and more of a realistic attitude, stuff like his happens all the time, africa simply has a lot of unstable governments. a quick hop over to allafrica.com reveals that only south africa, and belguim actually apologised over their inolvement. So no, it was not ignored at the un, maybe there was other things mentioned, since being complacent in these matters is kind of unsetteling to own up to, but it was remembered.