Iran helping out in Iraq.

[Almaci]

Thats low even for your standards.

[Matt]

How old is the country called Palestine?

Supposedly, it should have been created after WWI as thanks for helping the allies fight the Turks, no?

But instead the British sat on their thumbs for 30 years and eventually gave their land to a bunch of religious fanatic white guys instead of coming through with what they'd promised.

If I was an Arab, I'd be pissed off too.

[NightWolve]

I think this covers most of what I believe:

https://www.donationreport.com/csima...iddle_East.pdf

In 1948, the United Nations allotted land to both Israel and Palestinians to form new states. This was land that had been ruled by Ottoman Turks for 400 years. It became a British mandate after
Turkey's defeat in the First World War. The land had never belonged to a Palestinian state or to a people that called themselves "Palestinians."

During the Arab war against Israel in 1948, Egypt and Jordan swallowed the West Bank and Gaza, which ceased to exist as independent entities for the next 17 years. During the entire 17 years, there were no complaints from Palestinians over the occupation and erasure of their homeland by fellow Arabs.

Arabs did not care because they considered themselves - Palestinians and all -- part of the greater Arab nation. The goal of Palestinians has been - in their own words -- the destruction of the "Zionist entity," i.e., the State of Israel itself. That's why there has been no peace in the Middle East for more than fifty years.

Arab States and Palestinian Leadership have always referred to the creation of Israel as "the Nakhba" - the catastrophe. The creation of a Jewish state in the Muslim Middle East is viewed by Arabs and Palestinians as a catastrophe that must be undone. This is why there can be no peace without regime change in the Arab world.

Thats low even for your standards.

That's not an answer to a simple question. Being a Turk, you think you would know...

[Almaci]

I know the history thats why I said stone´sw reply was low even for his standards, it was a direct and personal attack against me wich has no place on these forums outside of fight club.

[Scourge]

I know the history thats why I said stone´sw reply was low even for his standards, it was a direct and personal attack against me wich has no place on these forums outside of fight club.

Gimme a break. Poor you.

[Calliander]

I know the history thats why I said stone´sw reply was low even for his standards, it was a direct and personal attack against me wich has no place on these forums outside of fight club.

You mean him asking how old the country of Palestine is?

No it's not, it's a witty way to point out that Palestine is not and never was a country.

NW - That's a good link. I think I read that a while back and it provides a very good detail of the history and what's going on over there. It's amazing what people don't know about the conflict and what's being kept from them.

[Mfkzt]

If the Arabs didn't want to lose their land then they shouldn't have started those first few wars.

Putting aside the obvious fact that the arabs were pushed into war because they had their land taken from them, the real problem is that the expansion of Israel's borders didn't stop after the wars ended. It has continued to the present day. Imagine if after WWII we gave some of Germany to France, and France, with our backing, continued to take more land for themselves. That is exactly what is happening in Israel.

[Calliander]

Putting aside the obvious fact that the arabs were pushed into war because they had their land taken from them, the real problem is that the expansion of Israel's borders didn't stop after the wars ended. It has continued to the present day. Imagine if after WWII we gave some of Germany to France, and France, with our backing, continued to take more land for themselves. That is exactly what is happening in Israel.

Bad example. Germany deserves it.

[Error]

Actually it is a good example. Look up Alcase Lorraine and see how many wars have been fought over that little piece of land.

edit: weirdness...

[Matt]

No it's not, it's a witty way to point out that Palestine is not and never was a country.

NW - That's a good link. I think I read that a while back and it provides a very good detail of the history and what's going on over there. It's amazing what people don't know about the conflict and what's being kept from them.

That is pointless. Palestine was never a country because the region has been screwed around by imperialist powers for the last 5 centures (first the Turks, then the British). This doesn't change the fact that the Palestinians were promised control of their own land but instead were booted out in favour of a bunch of foreigners.

That article is heavily biased and doesn't tell the whole story at all. Arabs didn't hate Jews prior to 1948, and the reason why they didn't like Israel wasn't because it was Jewish. The creation of Israel was a huge fuckup and ironically seems to have created a whole new breed of anti-semitism that wasn't there previously.