Reply With QuoteYou need to take a typography class.Originally Posted by jonas
Electronic cigarette.
I now do retail, banging out $8 an hour to try and become manager. They better let me at some point and how, because I just passed up a dead end job about medical supplies that would've been $12 an hour. Ah well, if it comes to problems I'll just head to Costco for a while ($12 starting and $17 average) until I can find somewhere that'll let me climb.Key word is "can," because you probably won't get that anytime soon. I've made a couple sites but I've done a pretty shitty job for most people because I'll bang them out in a day or two and then fix up extra pages later on. But hey, they all love it and the visitors love it, which just goes to show most people are fucking retards (my first one won't even fit onto a smaller resolution then 1024x768 because I didn't feel like fixing the tables and it won't resize, but my employers haven't figured that out yet).
Not a bad gig if you can do it full time, involves a lot of sitting around not doing anything.
Hostages? **** em'
You need to take a typography class.
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Schools don't typically teach web oriented design classes typography. It's a damn shame too, because it's such an important aspect of anything that involves graphic design. I asked two of my teachers why they didn't teach the web kids typography and they told me that any production of a website worth its weight in anything will have a designer on hand calling the shots, design wise. What a stupid philosophy. It really puts your students with freelance aspirations at a disadvantage. Most web designers or developers I know actually mock me for focusing on the typography so much. They just don't get it. They don't understand hierarchy, or mood, or even when to use italics instead of bold or roman and they won't understand because they weren't taught it. It's one of those "print things" they never have to learn.
Sometimes I go browse for fonts as someone browses in a store for shoes, or watches because a lot of these fonts are so great and I think of how I can apply them to what I'm doing, or want to be doing. Formata and Meta are two amazing fonts I've just been granted access to and I think I'm going to end up overusing them over the next three months. I have over 1000 different fonts in my collection and I still want more.
Anyway, I was a bit hard on people earlier in this thread. I just saw a bunch of people going ravenous and went a bit nuts so I apologize to Jeremy and anybody I went off half-cocked on. (Mzo) The only person that really had nothing much to add was Josh, so he gets nothing from me in this regard.
I've had two decent jobs in the graphic design industry and I'm still enjoying it. I designed a CD and also a trade show booth while most of my peers are stuck tweaking body copy on their senior designer's work. So I've had a lot of success and I still talk to 3am. They want me to come in and work on their print stuff when they branch out from broadcast to more traditional print based materials. I don't know if I'll take it though, I'm trying to get in to Context Creative, which is a really great design agency. After I get in to Context I will try to get in to Taxi, which is one of the best ad agencies in North America.
If all else fails I can always fall back on my cushy design job where I currently work. It pays well, there's a lot of room to grow (financially), and it's close by. The main reason I started Robobo was to practice drawing to get better with form, and consistency and even my line work. It's going to take time but it'll be worth it in the end.
I'm glad I didn't get stuck in the retail game. You can make some decent money but I don't want to look back on my life and think I could've done more.
Last edited by Drewbacca; 10 Nov 2005 at 10:15 AM.
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are there any tv stations in your area? most have a graphics/multi media department that do all kinds of jobs from tv graphics, 3D work and some graphic design. i would've gotten into that but now i work for a government contractor doing 3D animations and some video editing.
another thing people like to see in portfolios are personal projects. it's nice to do this and that for friends and random people...but you gotta have some passion about something. you have to want more than just to work for someone else all the time. i mean...even with the job i have i'm still doing illustration stuff on the side and working on a book of my own. er...you get what i'm saying?
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I dont know where you people find jobs just designing web sites. All of the help wanted ads in the papers and online that I've looked at all require back end work in ASP, PHP, ColdFusion, and whatnot.
Flash is the cancer of the internet.
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If you want a website that looks like a programmer rolled out of bed at lunch and made it then you get a coder. If you want a website that has style, and has some appeal outside of the bevelled, drop shadowed pieces of shit a lot of companies go with, then you have a designer design it. Because any designer worth their weight in gold focuses on details most people just set quickly and move on to the next.
The problem here is that most designers are ignorant with internet file formats. They'll hand a nice layout to their staff that's a 300 dpi .tiff. A lot of people won't know what the hell to do with this and get confused.
Flash is an amazing tool when it's used as a part of a hybrid site. Flash sites in general themselves have to be smaller in size in order to properly utilize the technology.
Which is why there is so much shitty web design out there. Check out a great web design studio: www.bigspaceship.com . They're easily one of the best design studios who focus their work online predominantly. And guess what? They have designers who design and programmers who program. What a crazy thing to do.
vs. GoRuck Challenge
Wow, what an awesome site.
R.I.P. Paragon Studios
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Yes, because clicking on the yes button and waiting 10 seconds is truly their downfall.This site requires version 8 of the Flash Player.
Click here to get it
Actually they just redesigned their website. Their old design was diagonal.
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Not it's not.
I know how to program ASP, PHP, HTML, CSS and all that stuff but at the end of the day Flash makes things move and with that.. brings people. People enjoy things that are interactive and animated. Not things that are bland and boring.
You may think that Flash is a cancer, but you probably don't even know how to use it.
People who say that are so ignorant.
Honestly I can say I've never taken a typography class. They never did one in our course. Which sucks because yeah I don't know all that much about font. I just pick ones that appeal to me or the look I'm trying to convey and go with that.Originally Posted by FirstBlood
You need to take a typography class.
Some of the basic fonts on the site - like the news table and the tour pages are like that because the client requested they be simple. I had different fonts reflecting the main type face but he didn't want that. Client knows best... at least when they are paying me.
Also the news and tour pages are updated by a text file. So the client can update those pages when he wants. Another reason they must remain basic install fonts.
Anyways, I agree with you. Something like that might help my overall design.
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This is true. But I guess you didn't get the joke?
Man, NO ONE GETS MY HUMOR.
/me cuts wrists.
Flash is neat and all, I just don't have the time to sit down and learn it.
Well, I have the time, but I'm just so goddamn lazy right now.
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