finally some satisfaction

[frostwolf ex]

It's a good idea, but it's not practical. Someone like Lay never physically harmed somebody, so putting him in a maximum security prison with rapist, murderers, etc. is just taking up a spot for someone else to be there that needs to be there more.

You can put him in one of those prisons and feel safe that he won't try, and is not going to escape. Lets also not forget that these places aren't exactly a cake walk, either. They're prisons, full of criminals. He'll be taking it up the ass in the shower soon enough.

he never harmed anyone? interesting way of putting it, he never physically beat another human being, thats true, but he harmed far more people than most cons we have rotting in the standard prisons today. so i stand by my comment, the minimum security prisons that people like martha stewart(who did kind of get screwed, but thats another thread) are confinement, but hardly the punishment that we give a guy who gets drunk and beats up one single person. we are talking about a man whos greed damaged a large number of people's lives, he deserves to be punished not inconvenienced.

[Diff-chan]

we are talking about a man whos greed damaged a large number of people's lives, he deserves to be punished not inconvenienced.

He will be spending the golden years of his life behind bars, instead of enjoying the wealth he built up and seeing his family grow.

He will be losing out on the vast majority of his wealth, thus depriving his family of the lifestyle they have become accustomed to.

All because of his greed and desire for more money at any cost.

He will, in all likelihood, die in jail, forgotten and worthless.

He *IS* being punished. He doesnt need to be in the hole or whatever. This punishment is fitting indeed.

[Drewbacca]

he never harmed anyone? interesting way of putting it, he never physically beat another human being, thats true, but he harmed far more people than most cons we have rotting in the standard prisons today. so i stand by my comment, the minimum security prisons that people like martha stewart(who did kind of get screwed, but thats another thread) are confinement, but hardly the punishment that we give a guy who gets drunk and beats up one single person. we are talking about a man whos greed damaged a large number of people's lives, he deserves to be punished not inconvenienced.

I said he never physically harmed someone and said why I'm happy the spot you want him to fill in maximum security prison is going to be filled by a huge danger to society. He's not living a cushy life in jail, and he'll be there (probably) until he dies. I never said he didn't harm anyone.

His victims get to live another day to recoup their losses. A murderer's victims don't have that luxury. Keep that spot for someone who deserves it a bit more.

[frostwolf ex]

his greed was directly responsable for the loss of at least 5100 jobs, all of which were deprived of the lifestyle that they were accustomed to. say what you want, but on a net damage to society, his actions outpaced any petty criminal by a massive magnitude. you cna excuse me if i think he should not be in better conditions than them.

I said he never physically harmed someone and said why I'm happy the spot you want him to fill in maximum security prison is going to be filled by a huge danger to society. He's not living a cushy life in jail, and he'll be there (probably) until he dies. I never said he didn't harm anyone.

His victims get to live another day to recoup their losses. A murderer's victims don't have that luxury. Keep that spot for someone who deserves it a bit more.

large comfort for the diligant employee who was depending on his pension to keep him financially stable throuout his golden years, isnt it? im sure that in his 70's he can recoup the money that he spent his entire life earning.
oh and id call a person whos greed caused the financial upheaval of over five thousand peopel a huge danger to society, a bit more than aftermentioned drunk guy who is jailed for assault.

[Diff-chan]

Yea, I know what you're saying but I detect a bit of bloodlust here. Im all for giving people proper punishments, 25 years to a 63 year old with a heart condition is fitting. His life is over, I wouldnt be surprised if he gets put on suicide watch. No matter where they put him, prison is still prison and that's that.

[Drewbacca]

Im just returning the favor.

It doesn't make sense though. Learn how to use it before doing so. Thanks.

[frostwolf ex]

well, i have never been a one to turn down a good bloodlust seriously though, this man did a lot more damage than people give him credit for, there are probably hundreds of his employees who are financially destitute, good people who worked hard and looked foreward to the fruits of their labor. they arent getting that money back, they might get part of a settlement thats going to have many lawyers hands in the pot, they may not get anything, either way, their lives are ruined, just the same as if some thug came up in an alley to them and beat them up for their wallett. and i feel like being in a minimum security prison is too good for a man who did this, he is 100 times the criminal that the worst crime-hardened gangbanger you can think of is, and society needs to treat him as such. but you are right, this is a life sentance for him, and hopefully it will be as much for ken lay, he needs to rot for his crimes as well.

[Drewbacca]

Yea, I know what you're saying but I detect a bit of bloodlust here. Im all for giving people proper punishments, 25 years to a 63 year old with a heart condition is fitting. His life is over, I wouldnt be surprised if he gets put on suicide watch. No matter where they put him, prison is still prison and that's that.

Exactly.

You need to look at the bigger picture, frostwolf. He's in jail, he's not getting out. Leave the max security prisons for the person who killed your neighbours mother down the street.

[1CCOSA]

Excellent news! Sure, he'll get a powder puff prison, but at least he'll probably die there. Let's see ya have fun playing tennis in there when you are in your mid-upper 80s and your bones are disintegrating, ha! Payback time for all the employees' lives you ruined. whoo Here's hoping Kozlowski's guilty sentence sticks and he gets major time in the tank too.

Lewis Black from a Conan stand up skit a year and a half ago or so: "Dennis Kozlowski and his sons pirated hundreds of millions of dollars out of their employees' benefits and company funds...what were they trying to do? BUILD THEIR OWN SPACE PROGRAM???

I'm amazed...that the employees of that company didn't rise as one and SLAY them. I used to wonder why they beheaded marie Antoinette...now I know.

Some of this money was used to buy a $600 shower curtain. If you had a friend and they told you 'Hey I just bought a $600 shower curtain, wanna see?'...you'd punch them in the face."

[Diff-chan]

Well theyre talking about putting him in Yazoo City, MS, which is a low-security prison. I dont think they determine the security level of the prison based on how evil or bad they are, but on what crimes they committed - violent offenders go to higher security prisons. Ebbers is a menace to society, but hes not gonna escape and kill people.

I think putting him with murderers, rapists, violent offenders, is actually cruel and unusual punishment. Its pure and simple bloodlust and there's no need for it. This type of bloodlust is what leads to barbarism like 12 year olds being sentenced to death and shit, its wrong.