Redneck racist power metal.

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That's what I've been saying IronPlant.

Ok g0zen.

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There are no traditionally 'white' nations. To make that sort of claim you would have to somehow prove commonality between Caucasoids.

But there IS a genetic commonality between the Caucasoids. In todays Egalitarian-driven education system it may be a taboo subject but clear, distinctive genetic traits do exist. It is even possible now to tell from a sperm sample with high accuracy the genetic (read: racial) makeup of the donor.

Since biologically this is impossible (race itself is not a genetic distinction, but a social one)

Race isn't genetic? So blacks get sickle cell anemia or experience a higher occurance of diabetes than whites because of social construct? Or is it because evil racist whites sit in labs engineering plagues for poor innocent blacks?

the concept that 'white' Europe is being invaded by 'non-white' is really more conspiracy than reality.

Been to London lately? Maybe it isn't an "invasion" in the military sense but it's certainly a cultural invasion. Curry shops are even surpassing "fish and chips" as the standard "British" corner restaurant. At some point the extremist, radical illegal "activists" shouting "go back to Europe" at tax-paying, law-abiding American citizens (who include African, Asian and even Mexican-American supporters) is a moot point when "Europe" is less and less European by the year.

In fact, it's more of a nativist backlash than a true confrontation of races.

What can the natives do when the ones who wish to keep the native language and culture intact cannot organize for fear of being labeled "racist" or worse fined and/or jailed for Owellian "hate speech" or "thought speech" laws? Ask Bridget Bardot who went on trial for simply writing a controversial book in which, among other things she resents the "Islamisation of France".

She states, “And now my country, France, my homeland, my land, is with the blessing of successive governments again invaded by a foreign, especially Moslem, over-population to which we pay allegiance. We have to submit against our will to this Moslem over-flow. From year to year, we see mosques flourish across France, while our church bells fall silent because of a lack of priests.”

The reality is, generations past in France fought against foreign invaders, and now her simply suggesting that maybe France should stay French in print IS A CRIME. And how ironic is it that in the 50's she was the one shocking conservative French people? This is the sort of thing that is already rising in Canada, and it will come to US as well if people don't grow a set of balls and stand up against it. While I'm not saying I support the people in the music video - it is things like this this that they are likely motivated by. Not some generationaly learned hate or fear, but what is happening now, right before their eyes.

Take, for example, the 1800s influx of Germans, Irish, Italians, and Poles to the United States. These are all 'whites' in that they are of European descent, yet when they arrived the 'native' Americans of European descent were very vocal in saying these immigrants were snatching up jobs and balkanizing urban areas by refusing to integrate into the larger culture.

And yet within only a few generations these different ethnic groups were succesfully integrated Americans. While it is true that America is a "Nation of Immigrants" historically it has been a Nation of primarily European immigrants, which is what gave the US it's "Western" culture. A perfect example would be my grandparents on my mother's side, both of whom were born in another country. Two generations later I speak (as well as my mother) perfect fluent English and other than a basic understanding of my heritage am an American without prefix. Comparing this to the current influx of Mexicans is like night and day. First of all, they are flooding here uncontrolled by the millions. And even when legally immigrating, they are allowed to hold dual citizenship and ultimately an alleigance and identity as "Mexicans" or at best, "Mexican-Americans". There are of course exceptions to every rule but I am talking overall ideologies. The reason they are allowed "dual-citizenship" (this means they can vote in Mexican elections as well) is because the uber-corrupt Mexican governments' second highest income is from money send back to Mexico from the US. At this point in history we are rapidly approaching the time where fully half of Mexicans will reside within US borders.

Imagine if things were reversed? What if good ol' US Gringos illegally crossed into Mexico (by the millions), and then demanded government payouts, education in English, celebrated US holidays, etc. Do you think Mexico would whole-heartedly embrace such wonderfull "diversity"? Could they be made to think that it somehow was helping their culture and society? Would they allow "rights groups" and organizations to form to push their cause? Would they be supported by huge corporations? Would the Mexican government condone this through tax-payer supported programs, and chastize anyone who disliked it as "racist"? I highly doubt it.

Japanese don't view other Asians as their kinsman even though racially they are of the same 'distinction'. They are non-Japanese because they were not born in Japan, this is NOT a racial distinction.

If this is true than how come a child born on a work visa in Japan is not then "Japanese"? You can argue it's cultural but because Japan has for the most part stayed Japanese then by its nature everyone born there IS of Japanese genes. And there's always the Ainu people who reside in Japan, but because of different genetic/racial background (Mongolian, and some say European) or not "Japanese" per se.

Ask Bill Gates or George W. Bush if they feel that America takes there interests into account, or if it has in any way taken away their 'right to self-determination'.

I could care less about either Gates or Bush, both of them subscribe to the corpolitical, pro multi-culturalist globalist agenda and care only for money and power. Bush panders to Hispanics and actually wants more illegals so he can have more voters after instantly declaring them citizens.

I've yet to see an Italian or Irish pride parade painted as being supremacist motivated, even though they are essentially celebrating their racial and cultural identity.

I think the key word is "essentially". You're right, those are essentially celebrating European culture (along with "Renaissance Fairs") but they are open to everybody. All cultures will celebrate "Irish" pride by drinking alchohol and "Italian" pride by eating traditional "Italian" foods (many of which are actually Greek) such as Pizza, etc. at these events.

I'm talking about black and hispanic "pride" events, which are allowed to happen without comment from the media and attended by ONLY their respective groups. And anyone protesting a rather extreme rally (such as those by the Aztlan movement) would be labeled a racist who obviously "doesn't like" Mexicans. Really, what people don't like are illegal (and legal) Mexican immigrants telling us that California, Arizona, etc. is their birthright and if we don't like it get out. THEY are the racists and yet the protestors will be labeled as such by the media EVERY TIME.

The idea that 'whites' will be extinct is ridiculous, because as I said being caucasian is not a genetic trait. European culture, which is what is really the issue here, is also not going anywhere.

So you are making the claim that as caucasians on this Earth dwindle in numbers, their culture will not?

Look at the world today; which culture determines the fashions, politics, etc.?

I believe the corporate culture determines many of these things, which while you may argue is "mostly" white I say regardless of the race, religion color or creed of these people their ultimate alliegance is to GREEN. Baring of course minority-owned businesses, which often have open loyalty to their respective communities. While "American" culture may dominate, it just consists of ideas that are bought and sold. Other countries buy into the "idea" of an America that doesn't even really exist anymore. Can you tell me that whites dominate the mainstream music world? Doesn't seem that way to me. Instead, hip hop and r+b music is pushed on a disproportionate white majority, who if they don't like must be "racists". I actually grew up listening to alot of rap, but the garbage they push now (and that goes for all genres) 9 times out of 10 amounts to little more than audio diarrhea. How about major-league sports? Are whites equally represented in that venue?

Do you think a Mexican owns the company that paid for this billboard?:


All of this is moot anyway because as China continues it's industrial boom it will surpass the US (and other major nations) in short as the world's dominant superpower. In fact, it's a good thing the US still has some culture to sell because we have less and less of anything else to market as the years go by.



I honestly don't want anyone to think that by openly discussing my views here that I either support this video or somehow dislike people who are not white. My point is simply that thoughout history, any society that has attemped the same "various cultures all living peacefully under one roof" experiment have failed miserably. I went through the same public school system that most of you went through, and was taught the same things about how America is the land of opportunity, and how we can all live together happily holding hands, the great melting pot, etc.

But there reached a point where my real life experiences had shown me that my education was blatantly incorrect. While yes, we can in fact "all live together" I no longer believe that smashing different cultures together is really a good thing in the long run. I think that besides what we are constantly told and programmed to believe, deep down inside, at an instinctual level most people feel they have a common bond with others like themselves.

Nothing showed me this more than when I started working with groups of Mexicans, Dominicans and Puerto Ricans. Talk about "racist" - each group extremely dislikes the other, for no apparent reason, and they speak nearly the same languages. This doesn't mean that everybody couldn't work together, because we all did. But when one isn't around the other the trash-talking flies. I eventually did some online research and found that even within Hispanic enclaves the different groups tend to "stick to their own kind", if you will.

Now for a little Off-topic goodness:

Nobody responded to my question before about the Creative Zen Sleek, so I'll pose it again. What do you think of it? It seems to have every "problem" you find in the iPod and more, and yet nobody seems to be getting angry about it.

Well, thanks to the iPod - if every major player sold needed a proprietary app to access it no one would really notice. And it looks like a nice unit, but I'm pretty much stuck on video-capable players at this point. If it's iPod-sized it should play video (and DVD-res Divx video too!) whether it be on an LCD screen or output to a TV. For audio-only players I'd go with something smaller.

By the way, FM radio on an mp3 player is still useless. I can't fathom anyone who likes music listening to FM.

I agree, nothing but crap on most of the time. I'd actually prefer AM tuners but the small hardware chassis makes it nearly impossible, they usually tune FM bad enough. The recording feature is nice though.

Anyway, uh, I think a lot of the problem is people of the mindset that their skin color is an unbreakable bond that makes them eternal allies and brothers in the oncoming war or whatever the fuck these jackholes in the video are singing about.

When the shit hits the fan it always comes down to race. Always. Jails are segregated for a reason. Ask the 20 or so British tourists who were stuck in the Superdome during the Katrina disaster if they felt a bond as they were attacked from all sides by blacks.

I don't know. This topic irritates me.

Why? I know it's "taboo" to discuss, especially if you are white but we're only going to understand it through discussion.

Another tasty morsel for you:

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Even if that was the case then it STILL isn't a racial issue, it's a cultural one. That was my point, that it wasn't about race, which it isn't. So, really, you've only help prove my point.

Well, at least from my experience, you could almost say that Japanese see their race as being Japanese, not Asian. It isn't simply a cultural issue, although that of course is part of it.

A funny example of this is how so many main characters in video games have almost no connection to Japan, yet have "Japanese blood" in their family - Solid Snake, for one.

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I always thought that it was common knowledge amongst the metal community that Slayer’s vocal and visual imagery has always been nothing more than a non-serious shock shtick (there have been tons of interviews throughout Slayer’s twenty-year career that support that statement).

Random interview from Google: http://www.metal-rules.com/interviews/SlayerKings.htm

Yes, yes, I know. I was just pointing the fact out.

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Why do you have to be proud of your skin color?

Maybe you think it looks good?

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This is the sort of thing that is already rising in Canada, and it will come to US as well if people don't grow a set of balls and stand up against it.

What sort of thing? Canada is proud of being multicultural. Nobody's complaining about Canada losing its identity.

Canada/New France was founded on co-operation between the French/MicMacs. Then the Brits came. Then it was co-operation between the French and British. Then came the Scots and Irish. Back then each nationality hated each other despite having the same colour. They used terms like the "British race."
Yet they worked together.

A century later we're still inviting more cultures to join.

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But there IS a genetic commonality between the Caucasoids. In todays Egalitarian-driven education system it may be a taboo subject but clear, distinctive genetic traits do exist. It is even possible now to tell from a sperm sample with high accuracy the genetic (read: racial) makeup of the donor.

There is genetic commonality between ALL humans, but none that specifically sets aside one group from another along lines you define as 'racial'. So, to be exact there is no 'caucasian' gene nor is there a 'negroid' gene. If you have science that points to the contrary, let's see it.

You can't say it's a cultural one either. Look at Europe's history, has it been a series of smiles and happiness and 'racial harmony'? No, it's soaked in blood and fueled with hatred and resentment. Even today while Europeans are not at eachothers throats, they're nowhere near all smiles toward one another. Hell, take a look at America. Who is among 'White' America's most hated? The French, fellow 'caucausians'.

Race isn't genetic? So blacks get sickle cell anemia or experience a higher occurance of diabetes than whites because of social construct? Or is it because evil racist whites sit in labs engineering plagues for poor innocent blacks?

That has nothing to do with race and everything to do with geographically origins. Take sickle cell anemia for example, it isn't just blacks who're prone to having higher occurances of it, but also men of Mediterreanian descent. They are 'caucasoid' yet because they descend from a climate in which malaria was a problem, they too have this mutation. It has NOTHING to do with the color of their skin.

Science has been clear for generations now that race is a social distinction, not a scientific one.

Been to London lately? Maybe it isn't an "invasion" in the military sense but it's certainly a cultural invasion. Curry shops are even surpassing "fish and chips" as the standard "British" corner restaurant.

You think maybe the reason curry shops are overtaking "fish and chips" restaurants is because English food sucks and English people (meaning those of 'white' ancestory) are eating at these Indian joints more? These places succeed and multiply because people go to them, people all colors.

At some point the extremist, radical illegal "activists" shouting "go back to Europe" at tax-paying, law-abiding American citizens (who include African, Asian and even Mexican-American supporters) is a moot point when "Europe" is less and less European by the year.

This is reactionary and ridiculous. Look around the world and you will see the dominance of Western Anglo culture, 'white' culture. The idea that radicals in the immigration movement are going to drive the 'white majority' out of this country and back to our 'European homeland' is laughable. In both Western Europe and in the United States, those who are identified as 'caucasian' are in the majority.

What can the natives do when the ones who wish to keep the native language and culture intact cannot organize for fear of being labeled "racist" or worse fined and/or jailed for Owellian "hate speech" or "thought speech" laws?

Become more open-minded and understand that reactionary nativism harms themselves as much as the ones they're trying to oppose? Also, those laws you're talking about, what color was the person who wrote them? What color were the people who voted them into action?

She states, “And now my country, France, my homeland, my land, is with the blessing of successive governments again invaded by a foreign, especially Moslem, over-population to which we pay allegiance. We have to submit against our will to this Moslem over-flow. From year to year, we see mosques flourish across France, while our church bells fall silent because of a lack of priests.”

So, the reason the churches have no priests is because they're all converting to Islam and going to mosques? Or is it because France, and Europe in general, is becoming increasingly irreligious?

Anyway, Brigitte Bardot's agenda is not only a racist one, but a fascist one. In the same book you're quoting from A Scream in the Silence she goes on to call homosexuals "fairground freaks" and vehemently condemns women holding positions in the government. The comments she was arrested for, however, were for encouraging civilian massacres in Algeria.

Perhaps not something we'd convict someone of here in the United States, but still, far from innocent.

This is the sort of thing that is already rising in Canada, and it will come to US as well if people don't grow a set of balls and stand up against it. While I'm not saying I support the people in the music video - it is things like this this that they are likely motivated by. Not some generationaly learned hate or fear, but what is happening now, right before their eyes.

Stand up to what? I don't see what the coming threat is that you're so worried about.

First of all, they are flooding here uncontrolled by the millions.

The foreign-born population of the United States is currently 33.1 million, equal to 11.5 percent of the U.S. population. Of this total, the Census Bureau estimates 8-9 million are illegal immigrants. So, if any of you math majors out there want to take a crack at it, what's the total percentage of illegal immigrants out the US population?

I'm guessing under 4% and at most 6%. Wow, if they're going to completely usurp our culture they better have Mechs or Godzilla or something.

And yet within only a few generations these different ethnic groups were succesfully integrated Americans.

This has to with motivations for immigranting. Most of the 'illegals' aren't here to make a permanent residence, they're here to work and send money home to Mexico. Once they've made enough money, a lot of them return to Mexico to retire. Why would they want to integrate if they knew they weren't going to stay?

And even when legally immigrating, they are allowed to hold dual citizenship and ultimately an alleigance and identity as "Mexicans" or at best, "Mexican-Americans".

And if I go to Little Italy in New York and ask them do they consider themselves "Americans" or "Italian Americans" they're all, without fail, going to tell me they consider themselves completely integrated into the so-called 'American culture' and see no reason to identity with their cultural heritage?

There are of course exceptions to every rule but I am talking overall ideologies. The reason they are allowed "dual-citizenship" (this means they can vote in Mexican elections as well) is because the uber-corrupt Mexican governments' second highest income is from money send back to Mexico from the US.

The Mexican government is partially responsible, but so is the American government and corporate America. Do you think these illegals would be coming in the numbers they were if there wasn't jobs here for them to get and people who wanted them to work at these jobs? Those, of course, would be corporations headed by caucasians.

At this point in history we are rapidly approaching the time where fully half of Mexicans will reside within US borders.

LOL, you show me where you're getting that figure.

Imagine if things were reversed? What if good ol' US Gringos illegally crossed into Mexico (by the millions), and then demanded government payouts, education in English, celebrated US holidays, etc. Do you think Mexico would whole-heartedly embrace such wonderfull "diversity"?

Whole-fucking-heartedly. The Mexican government would collectively do a little dance if they could get US 'gringos' to immigrate legally, illegally, or whatever to Mexico. Why? Because they could tax them, and since gringos are per capita more wealthy than Mexican citizens, this would mean a windfall for their economy. This would also provide them with more far more skilled labor, technological expertise, etc.

This is not say that Mexicans are incapable of becoming skilled laborers or technicians, they just don't have the means or the opportunities in which to become them. That's why gringos, who have both means and opportunties in great abundance, would be a great addition.

Just look at the resort communities in Mexico, where caucasians migrate to annually. What is the dominate language?

If this is true than how come a child born on a work visa in Japan is not then "Japanese"? You can argue it's cultural but because Japan has for the most part stayed Japanese then by its nature everyone born there IS of Japanese genes. And there's always the Ainu people who reside in Japan, but because of different genetic/racial background (Mongolian, and some say European) or not "Japanese" per se.

There is no "Japanese gene." This is a cultural and nationalistic distinction. Keep in mind that the current 'Japanese' residing in Japan came from Korea. The Ainu are only people who're truly 'native' to Japan, and even they in the distant past immigrated there from Asia.

I could care less about either Gates or Bush, both of them subscribe to the corpolitical, pro multi-culturalist globalist agenda and care only for money and power. Bush panders to Hispanics and actually wants more illegals so he can have more voters after instantly declaring them citizens.

You like throwing out buzzwords, but that doesn't change my point. That these men are both caucasians and are arguably the most powerful economic and political entities in the world. How can you argue the disempowerment of 'whites' when its whites who control the economy, the government, and the culture?

So you are making the claim that as caucasians on this Earth dwindle in numbers, their culture will not?

As unlikely as it is, yes. The 'white' European culture is ingrained in societies throughout the world, even if one day those who're identified as 'caucasian' were gone the products of their cultures will not simply disappear.

Can you tell me that whites dominate the mainstream music world?

Yes, the heads of the major record labels are predominately white. The heads of the chain stores that sell mainstream music are white. You say that these people are all motivated by greed, by the desire to accumulate capital. Well, that's one of the hallmarks of capitalism isn't it? Capitalism is part of the 'white' majority culture in America and the Western world. Adam Smith was a white man. How can you indict them for pursuing a cultural goal native to their background? Does that not make YOU one of the ones who're attacking the dominant culture?

How about major-league sports? Are whites equally represented in that venue?

Who're the majority of coaches, managers, commissioners, and owners? Who're the majority of sports spectators?

All of this is moot anyway because as China continues it's industrial boom it will surpass the US (and other major nations) in short as the world's dominant superpower. In fact, it's a good thing the US still has some culture to sell because we have less and less of anything else to market as the years go by.

I used to think this way, I also used to think global warming was a serious imminent threat, and that recycling of all forms was productive to the environment. In every case I found out I was misled, misinformed, and had bought into the hype.

I honestly don't want anyone to think that by openly discussing my views here that I either support this video or somehow dislike people who are not white. My point is simply that thoughout history, any society that has attemped the same "various cultures all living peacefully under one roof" experiment have failed miserably. I went through the same public school system that most of you went through, and was taught the same things about how America is the land of opportunity, and how we can all live together happily holding hands, the great melting pot, etc.

And cultures which are fiercely insular and nativist have flourished? Look at China and Japan, for example, they fought to keep the West out for centuries and what did it get them? Complete cultural domination in both cases. There is no evidence I know of in the historical record of a culture remaining totally isolated and flourishing without any problems or instability.

But there reached a point where my real life experiences had shown me that my education was blatantly incorrect. While yes, we can in fact "all live together" I no longer believe that smashing different cultures together is really a good thing in the long run. I think that besides what we are constantly told and programmed to believe, deep down inside, at an instinctual level most people feel they have a common bond with others like themselves.

Others like ourselves? If you're white I can tell you right now you and I do not have a common bond other than our skin shares a similiar pigment. We are obviously in complete disagreement on what it means to try and inhabit a modern culture. When I saw the music video I couldn't help but chuckle when I saw the sticker that said "White Pride. World Wide." because of any 'racial' group, what group has killed eachother in as large numbers as whites have killed one another?

Nothing showed me this more than when I started working with groups of Mexicans, Dominicans and Puerto Ricans. Talk about "racist" - each group extremely dislikes the other, for no apparent reason, and they speak nearly the same languages. This doesn't mean that everybody couldn't work together, because we all did. But when one isn't around the other the trash-talking flies. I eventually did some online research and found that even within Hispanic enclaves the different groups tend to "stick to their own kind", if you will.

Mexicans, Dominicans, and Puerto Ricans are not members of different races. Thus, you're invalidating the very heart of your argument. These people are all designated by society as "Hispanic" and they do all share a cultural heritage. The problems between them are entirely cultural and nationalistic, it has nothing to do with skin color. Hispanics in general aren't even a 'race', most them are a blend of Spanish and natives of the American continent.

For those of you who skipped to the bottom and want the Cliff's Notes of this post, here you are; 1.) Race does not exist genetically, 2.) Nearly every racial confrontation is really motivated by class and culture, something that is not at all genetic, 3.) Brigitte Bardot is a fascist lunatic, 4.) Those who identify themselves as 'Caucasian' are in the majority in America, control all the money and power, and really have nothing to worry about, 5.) Finally, if you want to feel solidarity with a race, make it the HUMAN race, because scientifically thats the only race any of us belong to.

Maybe you think it looks good?

Pift, then I assume you fight like hell never to get a West Coast tan.

Well, at least from my experience, you could almost say that Japanese see their race as being Japanese, not Asian. It isn't simply a cultural issue, although that of course is part of it.

The point is even if the Japanese don't THINK it's only a cultural issue, really it is. There is no 'Japanese race'. Their reasons for holding the stereotypes they do is because of culture and nationalism. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me, you'd know far more about Japan than I do.

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good god man, do you have carpal-tunnel yet?

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Heh, I had to stop in the middle to eat dinner. I've also been playing Atelier Iris inbetween paragraphs.

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Heh, I had to stop in the middle to eat dinner. I've also been playing Atelier Iris inbetween paragraphs.