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[Othello Harrington]

THERE Is no wall in golf.

I played baseball until I graduated college, I couldn't throw with enough junk to make the pro's, that was my dad's game. However, I can pound his ass in golf, and I couldn't do that until I practiced. I have seen 20 handicappers win tourney's after 3 years of lessons, I have not seen a 30 year old pick up cycling and win even a charity event.

My point, as it has always been, is that golf is like darts, no limit to how good your are.

now if you're fat, or unmotivated, you will never amount to shit in either.

As for baseball/soccer/cycling you either have IT or you don't, whether it be no fear of the ball, throwing hard and accurate, fast running speed, or the ability to understand how to break a 4-2-4 (reaching here, don't know much about soccer), you don't learn that, you can be told, but you either have it or you don't.

[Thief Silver]

But you can learn that, with greater effort, I would say the window is smaller, but for most people there is a time in their life had they taken the chance they could have been good at football, they could have been a cyclist, it's just not what they wanted to do. You can train your endurance and speed, maybe not to the point in which you win a charity event, or win a race, but same with golf where even learning repition won't give you some of the natural talent avaliable to other people.

[Othello Harrington]

I'll promise you that after Josh insults my mother, he'll tell you that the reason he is good at what he does is repetition. Every minute every wannabe musician sat on his ass and pretended to be the next Elvis, that guy got high and hit the keyboards, every time the wannabe told people how good he was, Josh sat home and practiced. Why, because just like golf, music is about knowledge, repetition, and creativity. Nobody was born an expert, but everybody could be with enough dedication. Problem is, we in nature, or lazy, pathetic louses who wait for things to happen, the ones who dedicate themselves to the art are going to benefit from the thousands of hours of practice.

To be a Pele, Barry Sanders, or Dr. J. takes natural talent that 99.9% of us do not have.

[Thief Silver]

but everybody could be with enough dedication.

I feel the same applies to Cycling just different in the sense of Age limitations and extreme physical handicaps.

Nobody was born an expert, but everybody could be with enough dedication. Problem is, we in nature, or lazy, pathetic louses who wait for things to happen.

But some people are born with natural talent in music, some people are born with these talents that make them become an expert in a short period of time, I don't see how we're disagreeing on something anymore.

[Othello Harrington]

I feel the same applies to Cycling just different in the sense of Age limitations and extreme physical handicaps.

Not true, and playing soccer you should know this. Some people just do not have the ability to play the game, period.

You do not become beethoven without practice, I don't care if you can carry a tune at age 4.

[Thief Silver]

I simply disagree, I think some people don't have what it takes to be champions I'll agree, but I think enough training and anyone save the examples we've given such as unmotivated fat slobs, could finish a race. With enough training.

You do not become beethoven without practice, I don't care if you can carry a tune at age 4.

Well yeah, I wouldn't argue against that, but it sure as hell took a lot of natural talent along with practice.

[MarkRyan]

If you hate on a country becauseof that, you're an insecure human being.

I believe this news, but tell it to the rest of the world that loves to see America trip.

[Diff-chan]

To be a Pele, Barry Sanders, or Dr. J. takes natural talent that 99.9% of us do not have.

Eh, but a lot of great players (most notably Pete Rose) just worked their ass off.


Yes, there is likely something innate that makes those guys those guys, but I think thats mostly competitive drive rather than some innate "be good at sports" trait. 99.9% of people are happy to be moderately successful, make moderately good money, win some and lose some. Guys like MJ, Tiger, etc., are not. That's the real difference IMO, but Im not a psychologist.

[Rumpy]

Yes, there is likely something innate that makes those guys those guys, but I think thats mostly competitive drive rather than some innate "be good at sports" trait. 99.9% of people are happy to be moderately successful, make moderately good money, win some and lose some. Guys like MJ, Tiger, etc., are not. That's the real difference IMO, but Im not a psychologist.

"Comfort stops success". A self made 22 year old millionare (can't remember his name) said that. Saw him on TV a few nights ago, I think he made his first million at like 18.

[Othello Harrington]

Which is why more atheletes come from poor homes than middle class America now. Good post Rumpy.

Diff- Jordan was 6'5" and had a 40 inch verticle, you can't train that. Tiger is much bigger than his competition in golf, and Pele could kick a soccer ball over 80 miler per hour, you can't develope these skills.