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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Josh View Post
    Ike Turner couldn't have hated women. He did marry one, you know.
    You're assuming, and as such, people of the time also assumed that the virus was isolated to select group of individuals that would not reach the rest of the population. It's not my view, it's the view that was presented to me during my late teen years, and would later be debunked when it became evident that it went beyond their proposed demographic.

    You're assuming that I didn't care about who it was affecting, when in fact, I did have a ton of concern that human lives were being lost by the virus.

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    You started talking about you for whatever reason. I've been talking about Reagan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamevet View Post
    people of the time also assumed that the virus was isolated to select group of individuals that would not reach the rest of the population.
    yeah, and they were assholes for that assumption. Even if it was some magical "fags" only illness, that doesn't make the attitude ok. It was ok to them because they were ignorant and backward. They didn't like those "weird gays."

    Besides, they were just stupid. Why would anyone think it would stick to just one demographic? That isn't how disease works. They morph into other shit all the time. They should have been researching it more even if only for that reason.

    The governments stance was ignorant and stupid at best. Heartless and evil at worst.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Fe 26 View Post
    yeah, and they were assholes for that assumption. Even if it was some magical "fags" only illness, that doesn't make the attitude ok. It was ok to them because they were ignorant and backward. They didn't like those "weird gays."

    Besides, they were just stupid. Why would anyone think it would stick to just one demographic? That isn't how disease works. They morph into other shit all the time. They should have been researching it more even if only for that reason.

    The governments stance was ignorant and stupid at best. Heartless and evil at worst.
    Which was kind of my point. The whole thing turned into Homophobia, White House media weren't hounding the White House on why they were shuffling their feet and even though the government were funding research, you got the impression that it was Reagan's main staff members that were the problem.

    Here's the smoking gun I was looking for, over someone saying they did this. C. Everett Koop is the only Surgeon General I will ever remember, because he actually pushed against the tobacco industry, while members of congress let tobacco companies line their pockets. And, he laid out what must be done to slow down the advance of the Aids virus and how people should protect themselves.

    Yes, after reading this, I will acknowledge that the Reagan Administration failed the American people, for the 2 years that they had known what the Aids Virus was (1983) and Reagan finally addressing the public on the matter in 1985.

    C. Everett Koop's two terms as U.S. Surgeon General coincided with the rise of the AIDS epidemic in the United States, an epidemic that, scientists and health officials predicted, would turn into the greatest public health catastrophe of the twentieth century. After his superiors relegated him to the sidelines of the AIDS debate during his first four years in office, Koop dedicated almost all of his time and energy to the disease in his second term. In 1986, he was finally authorized to issue a Surgeon General's report on AIDS. In 1988, he mailed a congressionally-mandated information brochure on AIDS to every American household. As he recollected, during this period "AIDS took over my life." Through his report and his many speeches and interviews on AIDS Koop did more than any other public official to shift the terms of the public debate over AIDS from the moral politics of homosexuality, sexual promiscuity, and intravenous drug use, practices through which AIDS was spread, to concern with the medical care, economic position, and civil rights of AIDS sufferers. Similarly, Koop promoted redefining the prevalent scientific model of the disease, from a contagion akin to bubonic plague, yellow fever, and other deadly historic epidemics that required the strongest public health measures--mandatory testing and quarantine of carriers--to a chronic disease that was amenable to long-term management with drugs and behavioral changes.

    During the height of Koop's nomination battle, in June 1981, the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) reported five cases of homosexual men in Los Angeles who were dying from Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia, a rare form of pneumonia most often contracted by people with weakened immune systems. A month later, the CDC reported on twenty-six young homosexual men recently diagnosed with Kaposi's sarcoma, an equally rare skin cancer. During his forty-year career as a surgeon Koop had seen two cases of Kaposi's sarcoma; twenty-six cases in a single report, he realized, were the makings of an epidemic disease, a disease that was destroying the immune system of otherwise healthy adults, who then succumbed to other, opportunistic diseases. The disease, which in 1983 was named Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome, or AIDS, was traced the same year by French and American scientists to a virus, the Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV). Researchers discovered the means by which AIDS was spread, namely through sexual intercourse, the sharing of contaminated needles among intravenous drug users, transfusion of infected blood, and transmission from pregnant mother to child in utero, during birth, or during nursing. A blood test to detect antibodies to HIV and a technique for killing the virus in blood products were developed in 1985, making the blood supply once again safe for transfusion, and clotting factors safe for hemophiliacs. Yet, also by 1985, nearly 12,000 cases of AIDS had been reported in the United States, and just under 6,000 of those infected had died. One of those who died that summer was movie star Rock Hudson, a friend of President Ronald Reagan whose death drew nationwide attention to the epidemic.

    With no cure and no vaccine, educating the public on how AIDS was transmitted, who was at risk, and how to protect oneself was the only way left to slow the spread of the disease. Since this task fell under the mandate of his office, Koop concluded that "if ever there was a disease made for a Surgeon General, it was AIDS." Nevertheless, for the first four years in office, the nation's top health officer was prevented from addressing the nation's most urgent health crisis, for reasons he insisted were never fully clear to him but that were no doubt political. During the early years of the epidemic, AIDS predominantly affected people--homosexuals and intravenous drug users--who, in the view of President Reagan and his domestic policy advisers, brought the disease upon themselves by engaging in immoral conduct, and who were in greater need of moral reform than of new health information or policies. For two years, Koop was excluded from the Executive Task Force on AIDS established in 1983 by his immediate superior, Assistant Secretary of Health Edward Brandt. Journalists received instructions from Brandt's office in advance of press conferences that the Surgeon General would not answer questions about AIDS, and that he was not to be asked about it. Meanwhile, as AIDS claimed a growing number of lives and the Reagan administration sponsored research but otherwise remained silent on the disease, Americans worried about the possibility of contagion through casual contact in schools, restaurants, and public lavatories; politicians called for the mandatory testing of the entire population and the quarantine of AIDS patients; and AIDS activists, represented by homosexual organizations formed during the gay-rights movement of the 1970s, complained that the conservative Reagan administration was ignoring the epidemic for political reasons.

    And as dangerous as the Aids virus has been to human lives, it pales in comparison to the 480,000 American lives tobacco has taken. C. Everitt Koop cracked down on the tobacco industry and stopped the sales of tobacco products to minors.

    The first person C. Everett Koop persuaded to stop smoking was his own father. John Everett Koop smoked three packs of cigarettes a day, developing a chronic cough that alarmed his wife. She shared her concerns with her son during one of his visits home from college. Koop agreed with her, but doubted that his father could muster the determination to quit. Overhearing his son's remark, John Koop walked quietly to an upstairs bathroom and flushed his cigarettes, never to smoke again.

    No federal official before or since U.S. Surgeon General Koop has waged a more determined campaign against smoking, the leading cause of preventable death and disability in the United States. As a pediatric surgeon Koop had been dismayed to see the air at medical meetings filled with tobacco smoke, a common sight as late as the mid-1970s. Yet, he did not enter the office of the Surgeon General as an anti-smoking crusader; he had smoked an occasional pipe himself until he gave up the habit in the early 1970s. However, once he began to study smoking as a public health issue in preparation for releasing the congressionally-mandated annual Surgeon General's report on smoking and health, Koop became appalled by the deceptive advertising and aggressive lobbying of the tobacco industry. He devoted himself to the goal of alerting both smokers and non-smokers to the dangers of smoking--devoted, in fact, more time to the issue than to any other over the course of his eight years as Surgeon General. In 1981, the year of his confirmation, smoking took the lives of nearly 400,000 Americans, more than all deaths from alcohol, drug abuse, and automobile accidents combined. Koop's tireless warnings about the health risks of smoking helped reduce the number of smokers among Americans from 33 percent of the population in 1981 to 26 percent in 1989, even though the incidence of illness and death from smoking among women continued to rise.

    Koop's first official act after his confirmation was to issue the 1982 Surgeon General's Report on Smoking andHealth, the most authoritative statement to date on the connection between smoking and cancer of the lung, oral cavity, larynx, esophagus, stomach, bladder, pancreas, and kidneys. Thirty percent of all cancer deaths were attributable to smoking, the report stated. Reports issued by Koop in 1983, 1984, 1985, and 1988, respectively, showed that smoking caused even more deaths from heart disease than from cancer; that smoking was the major cause of illness and death from chronic obstructive lung disease in the United States; that smoking presented an even greater health hazard than exposure to workplace pollutants such as asbestos and coal dust, while at the same time increasing the lethality of such exposure; and that nicotine was an addictive substance. All of these findings were publicly contested by the tobacco industry.

    Even though he was confirmed with the support of legislators from tobacco-producing states, most notably Jesse Helms, U.S. Senator from North Carolina, Koop was prepared to stand up to the powerful tobacco industry and its allies in Congress and in the administration of President Ronald Reagan. Koop castigated the tobacco industry for spending $4,000 on advertising for every dollar the U.S. Public Health Service spent on broadcasting anti-smoking messages. In 1982, he testified before Congress in favor of a series of rotating labels warning against the specific dangers of smoking (heart disease, cancer, emphysema, the risk to unborn children of pregnant women who smoke) in place of the current single generic label, "Warning: The Surgeon General Has Determined That Cigarette Smoking Is Dangerous to Your Health." He continued to advocate rotating warning labels even after the Reagan White House withdrew its support under pressure from the tobacco industry. In 1986, he succeeded in having the Surgeon General's health warning placed on packages of smokeless tobacco--chewing and snuff tobacco--a product the tobacco industry suggested was a less harmful alternative to cigarettes. However, he failed to convince the Secretary of Defense to abolish discounts on cigarettes for sale to military personnel in commissaries, one of the major reasons for the dramatic increase in smoking after World War II.
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  5. I'd also like to point out that Ronald Reagan actually (secretly) did bend the rules to make sure that the most advanced drugs were made available to AIDs victims.

    One amendment specified that the FDA could approve a new drug only if “substantial evidence” of its efficacy had been obtained in “adequate and well-controlled” clinical trials. The trial protocols that the FDA subsequently developed required that a new drug demonstrate positive clinical effects, which meant conducting trials that couldn’t be completed any faster than the targeted disease typically progressed to the point of causing clinical symptoms—usually about five years, for HIV infections. The delays associated with conducting such large and long trials would have been a death sentence for many AIDS patients.

    As the gravity of the AIDS threat became clear, the Reagan FDA began writing new rules that spelled out when significant parts of the old rules wouldn’t be fully or rigorously enforced. By doing so, the agency accelerated patient access to desperately needed drugs. Pharmaceutical companies quickly began coming on board once new policies were in place that would speed up the approval of their drugs. In short order, the firms delivered a slew of powerful new drugs, using the new tools for designing precisely targeted drugs that were coming of age at that time. As the National Academy of Sciences later noted, the extraordinarily fast development of drugs that ended up in the cocktails now used to control HIV had a “revolutionary effect on modern drug design.”

    The FDA transformed an ad-hoc process of dodging its own rules, one drug at a time, into a diverse set of modest, uncontroversial policies to bypass older rules. Under normal FDA procedures, the sponsor of a drug that is ready to undergo clinical trials is granted an “investigational” license that authorizes use of the drug under FDA-approved protocols in the tightly controlled treatment of a limited number of patients, with half the patients typically receiving a placebo. But the FDA has broad discretion, for “compassionate” or other reasons, not to enforce its rules or to authorize other federal agencies, hospitals, and even individual doctors to “investigate” unlicensed drugs far outside the bounds set by the agency’s standard trial protocols.

    The treatment-investigation policy was applied almost immediately in the fight against AIDS. Soon after AIDS surfaced, Washington began begging drug companies and researchers with virus-killing expertise to send in whatever they might have on the shelf for testing in the government’s secure HIV labs. A biochemist at Burroughs Wellcome (today GlaxoSmithKline) sent a drug called zidovudine (AZT) to scientists at the National Cancer Institute and Duke University. In lab tests, the drug looked promising. A clinical trial of AZT was then launched, but had to be terminated prematurely when the placebo’s dead-patient ratio reached 19 to one against the drug’s. Doctors can’t ethically keep prescribing a placebo just to run up the score once it becomes clear—to them, at least—that the drug being tested works. The FDA immediately authorized a treatment protocol for broader use of AZT. More than 4,000 AIDS patients were treated with AZT before the FDA finalized its approval as the first AIDS drug, now sold under the brand name Retrovir, in 1987.
    He had a value system based around his religious beliefs, but he was most certainly a humanitarian.

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  7. Hard hitting journalism
    Why are you reading this? go to your general settings and uncheck the Show Signatures box already!

  8. Nixon’s translation is priceless.

    Howard Cossell got in a lot of how water, when he called an NFL player a little monkey an a Monday Night Football game.

    Last edited by gamevet; 07 Aug 2019 at 08:06 PM.


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