World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King

[Chux]

They're doing more drops per person in 25 man, also extra badges. So if you're into getting the best you can as fast as you can (ie me) you'll still do 25 mans.

12 things on the loot table? Well if 10 man drops 2 items then 25 will now drop 6 items (atleast), which means you're getting half the loot table each time, so more trinkets/weapons. Not to meantion with a larger balanced raid there's no items that would be going to offspec or shard right off the bat.

Or if you're only doing 10 mans it'll even out. If it was a waitlist for a 10m then I understand, but if you've only got 10 people going for shit you'll get it the same as if you were in a 25 and losing a roll to some underperforming douche.

[arjue]

I saw DBW get given to a shaman for his enhancement OS. I just about cried.

I think they should make 10 mans harder than 25 and have better loot, as there are less people to carry bads.

What I would really like is for them to do huge 5 man dungeons that are retarded hard and have crazy boss mechanics that require you to be good at your class. The Icecrown 5 mans were a small step in the right direction, but it should take 6 hours to complete with many optional bosses and shit.

[dave is ok]

I think there should be sex in World of Warcraft.

[Chux]

David, we already cyber like every day. What more do you want?

[Curtis]

Or if you're only doing 10 mans it'll even out. If it was a waitlist for a 10m then I understand, but if you've only got 10 people going for shit you'll get it the same as if you were in a 25 and losing a roll to some underperforming douche.

If Brett has any sense, he went to another loot council guild. While mistakes happen there even with an honest LC, it's nothing as prevalent as relying on dice.

That said, even though I'm not still playing (And seriously fucking hope I don't fall back in - though being in this thread so much doesn't bode well), I'm with you on the 10 man deal. I intended that guild to be a 10 man, just the friends I could rely on sort of thing. Then it kind of got out of hand.

Taking loot lust/prestige bullshit out of the equation would have made sticking to that a lot easier.

[Opaque]

If Brett has any sense, he went to another loot council guild.

I did.

The GM is a DK tank who took Shadowmourne, when I talked to him about it he just leveled with me, all his melee was within a year fresh in the guild and he's main tanked on one toon or another since Vanilla so the loot council trusted him with it more than anyone else.

That said, even though I'm not still playing (And seriously fucking hope I don't fall back in - though being in this thread so much doesn't bode well), I'm with you on the 10 man deal. I intended that guild to be a 10 man, just the friends I could rely on sort of thing. Then it kind of got out of hand.

Taking loot lust/prestige bullshit out of the equation would have made sticking to that a lot easier.

I have mixed feelings about the expansion for just this reason.

On the one hand there is no question that the top min/max guilds in the world will run with 25, even if by extra badges they mean one per boss that still means you get literally 150% the badge intake a week over someone who runs 10s, and if Tier is purchased with that in mind, people going for world first will not be wasting the badges every week by playing with 10 people. I just got into Og but they already sound like they are going to stick with 25s.

At the same time I don't know that I even care if any casual 10 can get the same stuff two weeks later.

And lastly, I think I'd almost rather just have 10 people I can depend on being there everyday so people not showing up isn't a problem. Not to mention with the right group you have like 0 loot contention, so even if you're shard some stuff, the first time someone you want drops it's basically yours.

[Mman]

They're doing more drops per person in 25 man, also extra badges. So if you're into getting the best you can as fast as you can (ie me) you'll still do 25 mans.

They are going to have a weekly max amount of badges you can earn. So while you might earn them quicker in 25 people who only do 10 man will probably be able to max them out as well.

[Opaque]

If they really make it so that you can reach max badges in 10 mans they might as well just remove 25 mans.

Still like, a fucking year till we see this game anyway. Who knows what will change before then, but if this 10 mans are the only way to raid thing happens I'm done. I'm not gonna worry about being in the "good" 10 man when I've worked so hard to get into a good 25 guild.

[mannerbot]

Why? 10 mans are joke content, you could probably farm it with your alts in a decent guild.

[dave is ok]

lol @ Opaque being such a elitist that he might quit the game if 10 man guilds can get the same gear he can get.