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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoshi View Post
    They already had slavery. They didn't need to secede to get it. Hell, the Emancipation Proclamation didn't come until after two years of the war.
    You don't get it. They had slavery but geographic and political realities were going to doom it. That's why the South wanted to expand slavery into new territories, it's why they wanted laws along the lines of the Dred Scott decision. Things that were increasingly untenable not just to the North but the entire civilized world. If they didn't secede, they would have lost it in the normal political processes shortly thereafter. That's why they seceded. I mentioned this earlier in the thread.

    Like I said, read what any prominent Southern politician said at the time of secession. Look at the CSA constitution or what the states put out to announce secession. They all mention slavery. Every last one of them. The idea that it wasn't about slavery defies belief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoshi View Post
    The war was about states' rights...
    The rights of states to keep slaves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diff-chan View Post
    You don't get it. They had slavery but geographic and political realities were going to doom it. That's why the South wanted to expand slavery into new territories, it's why they wanted laws along the lines of the Dred Scott decision. Things that were increasingly untenable not just to the North but the entire civilized world. If they didn't secede, they would have lost it in the normal political processes shortly thereafter. That's why they seceded. I mentioned this earlier in the thread.

    Like I said, read what any prominent Southern politician said at the time of secession. Look at the CSA constitution or what the states put out to announce secession. They all mention slavery. Every last one of them. The idea that it wasn't about slavery defies belief.
    You're coming at this as if the South started the war. Protecting slavery was clearly one of the key motivations of the South, but freeing the slaves was absolutely not why the North literally started the war.

    The irony is that the liberals who are so offended by the Confederate flag today are de facto supporting the corporatism and colonialism they claim to abhor.
    Last edited by Yoshi; 06 Jul 2015 at 05:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josh View Post
    The rights of states to keep slaves.
    That was one of them, yes. The Feds have been trampling others ever since.

  5. It was about States' Rights... States' Rights to have slaves and have their escaped slaves returned to them.


    Oh and also States' Rights to make the new western states allow slavery, see the battleground that was Kansas.
    Last edited by bbobb; 06 Jul 2015 at 05:33 PM.
    You sir, are a hideous hermaphroditical character which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by Yoshi View Post
    You're coming at this as if the South started the war. Protecting slavery was clearly one of the key motivations of the South, but freeing the slaves was absolutely not why the North literally started the war.
    Ummm what? How did the North literally start the war? Pretty sure the 6 southern states seceding LITERALLY started the war.
    You sir, are a hideous hermaphroditical character which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman.

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    Secession doesn't involve firing a shot. The North attacked the South at the Battle of Bull Run, which literally started the war.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Yoshi View Post
    Secession doesn't involve firing a shot. The North attacked the South at the Battle of Bull Run, which literally started the war.
    If first shots fired are how you consider literally starting the war you're still wrong since the South attacked and fired on Fort Sumter prior to Battle Run.

    You're arguing with a history major here about history, you're not going to win this.
    You sir, are a hideous hermaphroditical character which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by bbobb View Post
    If first shots fired are how you consider literally starting the war you're still wrong since the South attacked and fired on Fort Sumter prior to Battle Run.

    You're arguing with a history major here about history, you're not going to win this.
    I feel like it's not my place as a Canadian to get involved in this, but as a history major, yah, Crap Cory/bbobb and Diff are absolutely correct. The primary documents support this.
    Last edited by Brisco Bold; 06 Jul 2015 at 11:24 PM.

  10. In before Yoshi makes fun of Corey's history major instead of acknowledging any of his points and leaves the thread forever.

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