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[Fe 26]

The North was never going to accept the legitimacy of the CSA and the South knew it needed a war to establish that legitimacy.

Well, thats on the north then.

[bbobb]

But we can frame that in a modern context too. If a country we have a military base in, like Germany or something, just ups and decides that it wants us out, do you want to go to war over it? Are the air force bases in Germany worth the lives of 600,000 men?

That's not even remotely similar.

[Fe 26]

Why is that? It was a military base on the land of a foreign power.

[Diff-chan]

Eh, we have a system of government in place and they had representation in that government. Nevertheless they tried to subvert it so they can keep owning people. It was illegitimate. Fuck em. Lincoln did the right thing.

[bbobb]

I honestly don't know what's hard about this to understand. The south was not a foreign power.

[Diff-chan]

Why is that? It was a military base on the land of a foreign power.

Calling the CSA a "foreign power" is a real stretch. It was a power grab by a bunch of elite radicals in a bunch of slave states. They had no claims to legitimately govern and subverted the republican processes the states willingly entered into. They were no more legitimate than Vichy France. Actually less so if anything.

[Fe 26]

It was illegitimate.

No one really knew that at the time. It would take what, 4 years, for them to decide, officially that a state couldn't succeed? Texas v. White?

Man, those fucking asshole rednecks, they broke a fucking precedent that didn't even exist yet.

[bbobb]

Everyone knew that at the time.

[Diff-chan]

No one really knew that at the time. It would take what, 4 years, for them to decide, officially that a state couldn't succeed? Texas v. White?

Man, those fucking asshole rednecks, they broke a fucking precedent that didn't even exist yet.

I think that, if a state wanted to secede, then an amendment to the Constitution can be set up to formally set up procedures to do so. That is the way our system of government is set up to work. A system of government that Mississippi, Alabama, Virginia, et. al. willingly signed on to. They tried to do it by force. They lost.

[Fe 26]

They had no claims to legitimately govern and subverted the republican processes the states willingly entered into.

subverted the republican process? Many states voted to leave the union. Sure, the rich of the south are to blame for most of the horrors of that period, but there was a vote. They probably aren't much more corrupt than the people that fund fox news now.