Reply With QuoteIf you spend enough time with your dog, you can train him/her to do pretty much whatever you want. Here's an example I made real quick. (my cell phone sucks, I'm not saying shit and shtay, lol).
metal = rude
Can you give me some general guidelines? I know you have to do it while they are in the act, but if you can get more specific than that i would appreciate it.Originally Posted by Kidnemo
This I believe too. Particularly in the newspaper case I know they become afraid of papers. Another problem I have had in the past is the dog learning not to do the action in front of me, as opposed to learning not to do the action. If he doesn't connect where the squirt is coming from it could solve both those issues, but he would probably figure it out.Using objects for corrections can give certain dogs the wrong idea, that the object is correcting them, not the person.
Thanks for the constructive discussion, this was my real goal with this thread.
Last edited by stormy; 17 Mar 2008 at 05:05 PM.
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If you spend enough time with your dog, you can train him/her to do pretty much whatever you want. Here's an example I made real quick. (my cell phone sucks, I'm not saying shit and shtay, lol).
The Dro
I really strongly believe in setting up the circumstances that you want to correct artifically, and then drilling it over and over. Like I said with my door knocking scenario above.
This way you can really control all the stimulus you're dog will be recieving and you can focus on correcting him.
Another great tip is to really tire out your dog before you would work with it like this. A nice long run or walk will help "take the edge off" for the dog and will make them more receptive to training.
Many times when you see the behavior it's already too late to correct it. It's important to correct the dogs mind set BEFORE their mind elevates to the point where they are exhibiting the behavior.
Like in my door knocking example above. You have the dog in a heel position, and have someone walk past the door, as soon as the dogs ears perk up a bit and they make that eye contact with the door (even before the dashing/barking/etc) you want to get in that correction.
Pontius is my Co-Pilate
It's almost amazing how everyone turns into an armchair psychologist when it comes to training a dog.
Boo, Hiss.
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Because different things work for different dogs and different people. So of course they're going to give their reports, and if it worked for them the idea is that it could work for other people. It's like asking How do you get to work in the morning? Yeah there's probably one way that's above the rest, but there are several different routes that work.
Edit: I May be reading too much into what you were saying and that mine is simply directed at all the people saying how to do it.
in specific is now what I think you were talking about Icarus.Many times when you see the behavior it's already too late to correct it. It's important to correct the dogs mind set BEFORE their mind elevates to the point where they are exhibiting the behavior.
The Dro
Everyone has an opinion and all I can do is give mine.
I have been through five full dog training courses of varying difficulty. I helped with teaching the last two.
For what it's worth as well, I've helped lots of family members and friends with dog training stuff and they all pretty much know me as goto guy for pet problems.
I am still interested in it, and would love to get a part time dog (owner) training job.
I'm also a HUGE fan of Cesar Milan and I love his thought process behind training animals.
Take my advice for what it is, and I'll reiterate getting into a dog training course that has a good reputation.
Nearly 10 times out of 10 it's the people who need the work, not that doggies!
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Agreed with your last post KidNemo. I've been running a dog/cat food retail business now for almost two years and run into a ton of different dogs with a lot of dispositions. It's always amazing to me what people do to 'correct' their dogs when they're the ones creating the bad habits.
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I made this post a while ago, and had no fucking idea where it went:
I feel so bad for our dog Blacky (Short haired Dachhund) no one knows how old is he because he's a rescue dog, but he was definitely fairly old, now he's getting so old, he has so many problems. He's got fatty tumors in lots of places, terrible joints, and welts on his feet (On the top, don't know if they count as welps) and our other dog, a blue tick beagle, has terrible hips (Which is what supposed to be due to imbreeding?)
He use to be so much worse we thought he was going to die or need to be put down. Also, he loves to lick Blacky's ear (Inside it) I can't get it. Unless our dogs are homosexual for one another.
Pontius is my Co-Pilate
I didn't mean anything negative with the psychology comment, just commenting. We're all suddenly "Well this is the driving emotion behind this behavior, therefore we associate this psyche with that function...".
Boo, Hiss.
metal = rude
It looks like he has 2 books, "Be the Pack Leader" and "Cesar's Way". Is one better than the other?
About correcting when their ears perk up, it seems somewhat counter intuitive to me. This is how Daisy's meal times go (the dog we had already had).
She gets really excited and follows her master to the kitchen. She is told to sit and does so with nervous energy. She wants to stand up so bad, but if she does we won't put the dish down. When it looks like she might stand her master says 'no'. She will remain sitting but is usually told 'no' 4 or 5 times before the bowl hits the floor, then she gets an 'ok' to stand and eat. I always thought that it was weird that if the dog is already sitting, and doing what we want, why are we using the 'no' command? It does seem to work, but I was curious if it was making 'no' less effective in other situations. You are saying that dogs do correctly process our intentions in this situation though? That would be good to know.
Fact about Daisy, she only obeys commands when she knows we are holding food. What does this mean? What can remedy this?
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