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  1. The trend continues.

    Will Tim follow in Bill Richardson's quick footsteps? I think this may keep Geitner from the Treasury Secretary seat, which would be bad news for the markets.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gooch View Post
    I am nearly convinced that the next shoe to drop will be the collapse of Bank of America.
    Well, if anyone's been watching the price plummet for BAC, I wouldn't be in quite a rush to cover your short even with today's news that the Fed will provide more financing to help the Merrill acquisition go through. I'd stay away from BAC stock from the long side and don't feel compelled to cover my short yet. BAC is down over 20% since my last post and I think it will fall under $10, where it will be really picked apart by the short hedgies. Doesn't mean it will go the way of Bear and Lehman, I don't think that will be allowed to occur, but there's no reason to go long it.
    Last edited by Gooch; 15 Jan 2009 at 09:16 AM.

  2. Steve Jobs is taking a medical leave, AAPL is getting pounded even more, I'm guessing the stock has seen its run. Remember, it doesn't matter how good you think the company is and the products it has in the pipeline. People way smarter than you, people with way more access to info than you, have already priced it in.

  3. http://radian.org/notebook/porsche

    Did anyone hear about this move Porsche did involving VW stock?

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Error View Post
    http://radian.org/notebook/porsche

    Did anyone hear about this move Porsche did involving VW stock?
    Yeah they've been dicking around with VW stock for months now. Another reason I believe short selling should be illegal.


    http://www.fvza.org/index.html


  5. Despite the suicide part, that was hilarious of porche. Someone post more stuff like this, I find it really interesting.
    Check out Mr. Businessman
    He bought some wild, wild life
    On the way to the stock exchange
    He got some wild, wild life

  6. #1186
    Porsche is an amazing company when it comes to making money. What is good branding? Good branding is earning an average of $28,247 per vehicle.



  7. I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
    ~Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)
    He who has ears let him hear.
    Last edited by Gooch; 24 Jan 2009 at 08:39 PM.

  8. It's getting so bad that three-day weeks may return.

  9. House of Cards
    Why Analysts Fear $1 Trillion Credit Card Market Could Be Next Crash
    By Martha C. White 1/21/09 6:00 AM


    Even as the subprime mortgage fallout continues its ripple effect across the economy, fiscal storm-watchers have an eye on the next gathering cloud: nearly $1 trillion of consumer credit card debt. Defaults are up; in November, the percentage of charge-offs — money card issuers give up on ever collecting — rose to 5.62 percent. According to some economists, that percentage could double before this current downturn is over. The bearish RGE Monitor predicts the default rate could rise as high as 13 percent, eclipsing the previous high-water mark of a 7.85 percent in the first quarter of 2002.

    This is bad news for the banks and third-party investors that hold this debt, as well as for consumers hit with the double-whammy of rising unemployment and restricted credit. Americans are relying on their credit cards to an ever-increasing degree. In 2008, the average credit card balance was $11,212, according to CardTrak.com. Compare this to 15 years ago, when the average credit card debt was a comparatively paltry $4,306. Factors like California’s plan to delay income tax refunds and long-jobless workers running out their unemployment benefits don’t help the situation, either. With no silver-bullet solution in sight, economists and analysts are nervous.

    In the near term, things are likely to get worse before conditions improve. Ravi Batra, economics professor at Southern Methodist University, said defaults are likely to rise sharply towards the end of this quarter, reflecting fourth quarter 2008 job losses. If the unemployment rate grows — a near-certainty, according to many economists — the number of consumers ditching their monthly payments will rise, too.

    Credit card companies have already started to batten down the hatches by cutting cardholders credit limits and raising interest rates. “What institutions are doing now is circling the wagons,” said Dennis Moroney, research director, bank cards, at finance-industry research firm TowerGroup.

    Additional retrenchment looks inevitable. Although about half of all credit card debt has been repackaged and sold as securities, it’s a much smaller pool of capital than the mortgage securities market, so a rise in default rates probably won’t cause the kind of systemic domino effect that the mortgage collapse triggered. It will, however, make third-party investors much more reluctant to purchase such debt — and risk getting burned — in the future. With mounting default losses on their own books, banks will have to raise more capital to meet their reserve obligations. Like a retailer trying to unload Christmas paraphernalia on December 26, they’ll have to slash prices if they want to attract buyers. As a result, consumers — especially those with blemished credit — are going to have difficulty securing loans or lines of credit.

    In addition, the banking industry contends that new regulations passed by the Federal Reserve last month will give them no choice but to sharply curtail lending — putting at risk the consumer purchasing power that drives 70 percent of spending in the U.S.

    Consumer advocates hail the Fed’s new rules, which prohibit tactics like interest rate hikes on existing balances. “We think they’re a big step in the right direction,” said Kathleen Day, spokesperson for the non-profit Center For Responsible Lending.

    Banks and institutional investors take a different view. Meredith Whitney, an analyst at Oppenheimer & Co., predicted that $2 trillion in consumer credit will disappear due to the financial sector’s existing troubles plus the Fed’s new mandates. In a recent report, Whitney essentially says lenders will opt to sit on their cash rather than dole it out to borrowers who might not pay it back.

    This wasn’t supposed to happen. The thinking behind the bank bailout (formally the Troubled Asset Relief Program) was that the government would funnel money to the banks by purchasing shaky mortgage-related assets, which in turn would write loans for their customers. It didn’t turn out like that. The Treasury Department scrapped this initial plan in favor of outright loans to banks, but they never required banks to use that money to write loans. That part of the plan was couched more as a request, which banks promptly and pretty much wholly ignored. Banks have used bailout funds to shore up their balance sheets, buy other banks and pay down debt, but the anticipated flood of consumer loans is still barely a trickle.

    Of course, giving money to borrowers who had no business getting loans in the first place is a large part of what started this meltdown, but turning off the spigot during a drought will only exacerbate the problem, the report concludes.

    Many economists are looking to the new Obama administration to pass a massive stimulus package aimed at reversing rising unemployment numbers and getting both citizens and banks back in the mood to borrow and lend. George Feiger, chairman and chief executive of Contango Capital Advisors, suggest the federal government might eventually buy credit card debt directly, as it did with commercial paper last fall. The government will do whatever it takes to prop up commercial banks, he predicts.

    “We’re facing a wave of bad news in the next three months,” said Ravi Batra. “People right now are putting all their hope onto Obama’s stimulus plan.”

    Martha C. White is a freelance journalist in New York. She regularly writes about finance and the economy.

  10. At some point can we change the thread title to Stop, Economy! I don't know about you, but I think's gone far enough.
    "Question the world man... I know the meaning of everything right now... it's like I can touch god." - bbobb the ggreatt

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