Election Thread 2016

[bbobb]

Its right there man.

You really have comprehension issues. Getting guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them in no way means banning guns.

Regulation =/= banning

[Joust Williams]

Well IP, without reading the passage or "between the lines" you would disagree with this:

And we've got to get guns out of the hands of people who should not have them


I mean, by definition of the words I don't think you can disagree with that. Now you may disagree with who should and shouldn't have them, but if someone is "rightly" identified as "someone who shouldn't have something", then they probably shouldn't have said thing, no?

Also, I don't know how anyone would prefer Pepsi. I can drink it, but it sucks, pretty much.

[Diff-chan]

You really have comprehension issues. Getting guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them in no way means banning guns.

Regulation =/= banning

Meh.

I've read a lot of people on this. A lot of liberal commentators and the like. And I am convinced that they all would be quite fine with guns being banned. I think HRC would be quite fine with it as well.

Which is ok. It's her right to believe that. But the skepticism is, IMO, quite warranted. I really only started thinking this when Dems started peddling the "no fly no buy" shit.

Define who should and shouldn't have guns?

[Fe 26]

It reads like classic gun banning/regulating racism. You guys choose to ignore it, but gun banning and regulation has always been rooted in racism. The very first regulation lists were a response to the black panthers (google it before you flip out. It is well documented).

For her to make that part of her response. and then the very next sentence be about black men shooting each other harkens back to her previous comments about "super predators". Its borderline racist garbage. It implies that if black men were just less violent and would stop shooting each other then the cops would stop shooting them.

You really have comprehension issues. Getting guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them in no way means banning guns.

Regulation =/= banning

You're being dishonest. In a legal sense, regulation often translates into functional banning. Like the regulation of clip size under Bill Clinton translated into effective bans on certain sizes. The regulation of machine guns translated into the ban of machine guns made after a certain date. Etc. And as in Dif's example, the no fly list would translate into certain people being banned from buying or owning guns with no ability to defend themselves in a court.

[YellerDog]

Instead of picking out one sentence why not read what he say?

Indeed.

[Fe 26]

Seriously, this is some of the most racist shit anyone has said publicly in response to current racial tensions. She isn't talking about taking guns away from terrorists. She's talking about taking them away from young black men because she thinks they are violent.

And we've got to get guns out of the hands of people who should not have them.

The gun epidemic is the leading cause of death of young African- American men

[YellerDog]

Well who do you think is shooting young black men (besides cops?)

[Error]

Define who should and shouldn't have guns?

It's not that difficult. Have you been convicted of a violent crime? No gun for you. After that it's a matter of how much firepower does a person have a right to own. Hunting rifles are fine. Pistols can serve a valuable role in self defense. Assault weapons are excessive. Buying enough ammunition to supply the battle of the Somme for a month is excessive. Thinking otherwise is just pigheaded stubbornness about your rights vs the rights of society.

[Fe 26]

Society doesn't have rights, you fucking fascist.

[Fe 26]

Assault weapons are excessive.

In practice they really arn't

1. Assault weapon is a made up word.
2. The guns often called assault weapons are actually gun standards. Like the AR15, which is a gun platform that can be modded into everything from an old man hunting rifle to something that looks like a weapon of war.
3. The only people that buy assault weapons are pudgy white guys that leave them in closets beside that US made fender they bought because they thought they'd learn guitar but it was hard and drinking craft beer while playing dark souls was easier.