The Obama Presidency

[Drewbacca]

Pepsi doesn't own 7Up. They just own distribution of their products outside of the US.

PepsiCo owns a fair stake in Cadbury, I believe. Which owns 7up and its brands with Snapple.

[Yoshi]

It's certainly possible.

[TODE]

I thought 7up was wholly owned by the 7-up/Dr. Pepper company... well I guess not.

An odd note: in this area 7-up and other brands from that company are bottled by a Pepsico bottler :S

[Joust Williams]

Even if it was, it still doesn't matter. Capitalism doesn't prevent someone from being competitive. It's harder to make inroads in some industries than others, this is true. Look at console hardware manufacturing. If you're not Microsoft, you weren't coming into the space with as much initial success as they had. But I don't see how the alternative is good for consumers.

[Anthony]

Yeah, let's keep making well oiled machines like Social Security.

Just because I said "having no government is silly", doesn't mean I said "all government is good".

[Advocate]

I'm glad I don't live in your fantasy world.

Way to not bother with a real answer again btw.

Well

What's YOUR "realistic" solution? Keeping in mind that that sort of implies something that will, you know, solve things

I never claimed to have one. Yoshi on the other hand has claimed unlimited knowledge of such things since he first posted.

You act the same way YAWA. You act as though you have the Democratic or Liberal answer to this. You don't like Yoshi's answer to any of this, yet you don't EVER say what YOU'D do. YET You act like you do.

also ...

I'm pretty sure most of the money, until that report Gooch posted last page came out, was to tie them over until they could sort themselves out. The point here being made is that if AIG and the banks aren't going to plug their holes it doesn't matter how much money you throw at them. You're just prolonging the inevitable. And also running the government in to the ground with debt at the same time.

And if AIG is paying out Goldman Sachs and their other partners after the government ALREADY PAYED THEM. If that's what's going on then these companies are making a KILLING profit on this god awful situation (at your expense). The government and Obama need to be very careful where the money is going and to whom at this point.

The bonuses are retarded, but a drop in the pan as to what is REALLY happening right now, which is companies getting paid twice and calling in their loans from AIG when they've already been supported on the back of your paycheque. Yoshi is absolutely right that the government shouldn't be bailing out GM, Ford or any automaker. And AIG should be given a no-interest loan with payback terms attached.

And the bulk of the money hasn't been paid out yet, either. So it's a bit premature to jump on Obama just yet. But the money that HAS gone out had little to no oversight... so it isn't unwarranted for anybody (Republicans or independants) to be barking up a storm at him. Eyes need to focus on this, and not get hung up over the bonuses.

QFT

[Bojack]

Yeah, let's keep making well oiled machines like Social Security.

There are quite a few well oiled machines in the government. Most of them are local though like fire and police etc. The Feds should only be around to do broad scale protection deals (i.e. the army) and general foreign relations. Essentially shit that a state/local municipality couldn't handle. Federal regulation should not go much (if any at all) past simple oversight.

A great example is pot. Several states have legalized it but the feds still say it's illegal. If the Feds are going to come in and tell states what they can and can't do on random whims then what the fuck is the point of states?

This is why we may be in for some tough shit down stream. The Feds need to GTFO of most of the affairs they're in. I thought the country was fucked when we had congress dealing with baseball players (FUCKING BASEBALL PLAYERS) doing 'roids. This is merely icing on the cake of how much attention we pay to the president. For all intents and purposes the president is simply congress' "beard"/scapegoat (whichever is more convenient) as we pay no heed to how overbearing certain things are getting.

The whole argument between YAWA and Yoshi is sort of irrelevant (although at the risk of sounding like I'm nuthugging I'm tending to side with Yoshi) because Obama wasn't so much elected as "annointed" by the voters and now finds himself in a fucked either way situation. People overhyped his ass to the point now where he stands no chance of living up to it. People will be pissed that he cannot shit golden eggs and figure out the cure for cancer during a scrabble game. The bar set for Obama is impossibly high, Obama's issue though is that instead of telling people to settle down because he cannot eat gunpowder and crap explosions and just rode the "Change" hype wave until he could wipe out in the White House.

[Melf]

You live in America? You can vote for the US President? Oh wait ...

... and this has what exactly, to do with what I posted?

But since you brought it up, PR is part of the US, I can join the US military and be commanded by the president, I am an American citizen with all the rights and privileges contained therein, and the government's environmental, educational, and foreign policies affect PR just as they do any state.

So please, read a bit and know what you're talking about before you tell me about what I can and cannot do.

[Advocate]

There are quite a few well oiled machines in the government. Most of them are local though like fire and police etc. The Feds should only be around to do broad scale protection deals (i.e. the army) and general foreign relations. Essentially shit that a state/local municipality couldn't handle. Federal regulation should not go much (if any at all) past simple oversight.

A great example is pot. Several states have legalized it but the feds still say it's illegal. If the Feds are going to come in and tell states what they can and can't do on random whims then what the fuck is the point of states?

This is why we may be in for some tough shit down stream. The Feds need to GTFO of most of the affairs they're in. I thought the country was fucked when we had congress dealing with baseball players (FUCKING BASEBALL PLAYERS) doing 'roids. This is merely icing on the cake of how much attention we pay to the president. For all intents and purposes the president is simply congress' "beard"/scapegoat (whichever is more convenient) as we pay no heed to how overbearing certain things are getting.

The whole argument between YAWA and Yoshi is sort of irrelevant (although at the risk of sounding like I'm nuthugging I'm tending to side with Yoshi) because Obama wasn't so much elected as "annointed" by the voters and now finds himself in a fucked either way situation. People overhyped his ass to the point now where he stands no chance of living up to it. People will be pissed that he cannot shit golden eggs and figure out the cure for cancer during a scrabble game. The bar set for Obama is impossibly high, Obama's issue though is that instead of telling people to settle down because he cannot eat gunpowder and crap explosions and just rode the "Change" hype wave until he could wipe out in the White House.

POTD

[Advocate]

So please, read a bit and know what you're talking about before you tell me about what I can and cannot do.

You can also eat a dick, but I won't tell you that. And no you can not elect the president which is what I said, BUT PLEASE tell me what I wrote, Teacher.