The Obama Presidency

[Timber]

It's not like people haven't been stealing music since the advent of cassette tapes in a device that can receive the radio. We all recorded songs off the radio as kids and the only way I was exposed to a lot of music was by that method or dubbing tapes and trading with my friends. The technology to steal this stuff isn't going away, ever. I'm all for them fighting back but this is way too extreme. We don't need prisons full of copyright violators, unless you want to foot the bill for the RIAA's fight.

[YellerDog]

Music outside the RIAA system is radically more interesting than the stuff being produced inside of it. Next they'll be going after mixtapes / samples / remixes / etc if they get a foot on this.

[Fe 26]

covers have always been a huge part of music. We didn't used to call them covers. When a song got popular enough, 'they became standards' and anyone and everyone that was part of a scene would play those songs. Jimmy Page's career is riddled with 'standards'

here, have some







pretty sure they didn't pay royalties.

Jeff Beck and aerosmith did the same shit.



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covers are part of music history. Acting like they aren't or that they should be a felony is revisionist horse shit.

[Some Stupid Japanese Name]

Yep, early rock stars made a whole lot of money while the black dudes they stole the songs from died penniless.
Things were much better then.

[Fe 26]

because standards started with the blues...

[Diff-chan]

If they didn't pay royalties in the 1970's, it was because the structure to pay royalties was not set up. Once it was set up, royalties were paid. Then we got into samples, in 1988 or whatever Paul's Boutique came out and was basically the Beastie Boys rapping over a gazillion samples. The business structure for samples was not set up so they could do it without paying a dime. Turns out it was fucking brilliant, but 5-10 years later, it couldn't get made. Too expensive.

You see the same thing in every industry. Early PC tech was not patented, but now everything is. Good or bad, you decide. It's capitalism.

[Diff-chan]

Point is, we have a structure to pay royalties based on covers through Youtube, so why not leverage that instead of criminalizing a bunch of teenagers for playing music they really like.

[Fe 26]

If they didn't pay royalties in the 1970's, it was because the structure to pay royalties was not set up. Once it was set up, royalties were paid. Then we got into samples, in 1988 or whatever Paul's Boutique came out and was basically the Beastie Boys rapping over a gazillion samples. The business structure for samples was not set up so they could do it without paying a dime. Turns out it was fucking brilliant, but 5-10 years later, it couldn't get made. Too expensive.

You see the same thing in every industry. Early PC tech was not patented, but now everything is. Good or bad, you decide. It's capitalism.

ok, I decided it was bad and I'm not for it.

Now what?

btw, what fucking sense does it make to come into a discussion and say "THIS IS A THING THAT HAPPENS"

No one gives a shit if people figure out how to profit off of things that no one profited off of before. We're talking about something done since mother fuckers could hold a tune, becoming a felony.

[Some Stupid Japanese Name]

because standards started with the blues...

Oh I am sorry, was I not responding to a post in which you presented a bunch of rock artists that stole shit from bluesmen? My bad.

[Some Stupid Japanese Name]

In buttcheeks world, things that were considered reasonable actions in the past never become taboo in the present.