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    You give me whatever context you want. The rates will increase at a faster rate because of this law than they did before it. That's likely the only meaningful short-term metric we'll have. Longer term, you're betting on the federal government controlling costs? I should and wish I did have the option not to, because that's a sucker's bet.

  2. Quote Originally Posted by Yoshi View Post
    If you mean more entitlements, I'm not willing to pay an additional cent.
    At least you're up front about your selfism.

  3. #11303
    In the long run, would that be a bad thing? If that really did happen it would eventually break the current system. More and more people would see how horrible the system is. More and more would know that hospitals set prices like the mad hatter and medicare/medicade/aca pull payment prices out their asses and otherwise scam care givers. And if the middle class and middle aged see it and feel it and not just the elderly and poor, maybe something will get done.

    oh. Right. Youll be put out while it breaks and something better is put in its place.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Fe 26 View Post
    In the long run, would that be a bad thing? If that really did happen it would eventually break the current system. More and more people would see how horrible the system is. More and more would know that hospitals set prices like the mad hatter and medicare/medicade/aca pull payment prices out their asses and otherwise scam care givers. And if the middle class and middle aged see it and feel it and not just the elderly and poor, maybe something will get done.
    I'm generally not a fan of "heightening the contradictions", so I don't want people to suffer short-to-medium term in the hopes that a good system emerges from the rubble. That said, it is true that the existing health insurance system has given middle class white people (the people who vote, in other words) a fairly decent and predictable system while everything collapsed around them.
    Last edited by Diff-chan; 28 Oct 2013 at 12:42 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calliander View Post
    At least you're up front about your selfism.
    Working age adults should be expected to take care of themselves. I support government sponsored health insurance as part of a comprehensive and very temporary unemployment solution run by each state, and that's it.
    Last edited by Yoshi; 28 Oct 2013 at 12:47 PM.

  6. Health should not be a for profit industry
    You sir, are a hideous hermaphroditical character which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Yoshi View Post
    So people are being forced to buy coverage they obviously didn't want or need, since they were happy with their previous plan. And that's a positive?
    Quote Originally Posted by YellerDog View Post
    It is when their plan was "no plan at all".
    They were also apparently paying 63% more than a comparable plan elsewhere. These people are have bolts for brains.
    Quote Originally Posted by rezo
    Once, a gang of fat girls threatened to beat me up for not cottoning to their advances. As they explained it to me: "guys can usually beat up girls, but we are all fat, and there are a lot of us."

  8. #11308
    Everything is a for profit industry, including and arguably especially the federal government.

  9. That is not remotely true.
    You sir, are a hideous hermaphroditical character which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Yoshi View Post
    Working age adults should be expected to take care of themselves.
    Fuck them if they don't take care of themselves, I shouldn't have to pay for their poor choices.

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