The Obama Presidency

[youandwhosearmy]

Funny, I didn't see a single gun or burning effigy or anything that even remotely hinted at danger or malicious intent at any of the tea parties. In fact, the only person I saw trying to stir shit up was that one CNN anchorcunt.



Watch the second half in particular.

People don't protest because they're happy. An undercurrent of anger is natural for any such demonstration. You can single out a few nutjobs from the far-right fringe, and that's perfectly fine. But we would then have to apply your logic to the far-left fringe and assume that they speak for all liberals. And that hardly seems correct.

Ok. I know this will be pointless because trying to get you to see another point of view is like trying to drive nails into steel, but I'm going to do this anyway...

First of all of COURSE protests are angry. Of course they are. I never said they weren't. Point out when I said they weren't, and you can point out to me why you felt the need to say something this inane.

Second of all. I didn't see a gun either. Or a riot. Nor did I say there would be one at these particular things. I don't know why you love putting words in my mouth so much but you sure do it a lot.

Third of all. This isn't fringe Right wing groups talking about and promoting raiding the government with Firearms and egging Soldiers on to declare that they will refuse to acknowledge orders from Obama. This is mainstream Republican talking heads who I hear on the radio every day and see on television if I decide to torture myself and watch Fox news. If this was some Alex Jones level nut job with a web cast going out to 25 people I wouldn't be concerned, but it isn't. Don't even try to draw a comparison there.

People should get angry. The federal government is disturbingly more powerful than the eighteen enumerated powers in our Constitution allow, and our dipshit Congress has sat idly by and allowed it to happen for the better part of a century. And I would love nothing more to see a revolution of ideas, a return to states' rights, and fiscal responsibility. The more that things are handled at the state and local levels, the more control you have over the manner in which they are carried out.

It's not about attacking a particular president or party; hell, some of the tea party organizers were Democrats. We're all going to have to pay dearly for this reckless cycle of borrowing and spending, regardless of your political stripe. I'm glad people are being moved to action.

The protesters have a legitimite gripe. Compared to a Sharpton shakedown march or G-20 anarchists torching a Starbucks, this is downright fucking refreshing.

People are not being moved to action for the reasons you believe they are Squall, and it's sad you can't see that. If I believed those people thought that's what they were protesting for even a second, I would have gladly gone out of my way to show them how to protest properly (i.e. you don't buy the fucking tea from out of state in bulk and pay double taxes on it before destroying it), because dammit they deserve the help.

That kind of thinking however, is bullshit. Not one of those people at those protests thought about it that way. It was, "Your gonna raise my taxes and take my guns away, so watch me buy this tea and destroy it..." if they were this knowledgeable about the expansion of federal powers over the course of the last few years then they should have been out protesting the Patriot act.

[Finch]

i love joe biden and always will. he is a man's man.

[Razor Ramon]

I don't have a problem with Biden. It's his boss that's annoying me.

[Joust Williams]

I see Garofalo posts on TNL

[Thief Silver]

Sorry, I know I'm being annoying but I just HAD to fix that for you.

Drunk!

[Bojack]

its pretty disgraceful that no one did anything like this for the patriot act. Its a damn shame that people care more about taxes and money than anything else.

I do hope you're not surprised by this idea. America is built on a foundation of greed. We wanted direct American owned control back in the 1770's so a bunch of rich ass colonists could do whatever they wanted w/o King George taxing their loot away. The Rev. War looks far more noble on paper than its actual intentions. It's not like that really matters though as the founding father's idea of America died at Appomattox Courthouse. The government we have today, dickless congressmen run by lobbyists, a president w/ too much power and a supreme court too pussed out to call them out is a natural progression from the Feds overriding the secession 150 years ago.

Power was to be local in nature w/ a basic fed goverment to keep certain things in check. Now we might as well take away state gov's and just apply whatever the feds want for the whole country.

The craziest thing about this current tea party shit is that we've got red neck construction workers and truckers who make like 25k a year showing up to help protect the wealth of the rich. It's nuts yo!

[Yoshi]

The craziest thing about this current tea party shit is that we've got red neck construction workers and truckers who make like 25k a year showing up to help protect the wealth of the rich. It's nuts yo!

You're a sucker if you think anyone who pays taxes won't pay more as soon as the current boobs can get it passed.

[Bojack]

You're a sucker if you think anyone who pays taxes won't pay more as soon as the current boobs can get it passed.

I may be a sucker as you put it.

It still doesn't change the fact that people who make so little cash that they hardly pay any (if any) taxes to begin with are fighting tooth and nail to prevent tax increases on mill/billionaires. Tax increases are also unlikely to seriously affect the US economy unless one is to believe that taxes are oppressively high to begin with.

I think the right is a bunch of suckers for thinking that any and all tax increases are the end of the world and ultimately horrid for the economy or the people getting the tax increase. Tax increases are a slippery political slope indeed but excepting macroeconomic backlash it won't affect the poor that much and it's the poor that shows up in droves to protest these sorts of things.

Besides, tax increases are probably a very little problem in the grand scheme of what's fucked in America right now.

[Advocate]

unless one is to believe that taxes are oppressively high to begin with.

they are.

[Fe 26]

The craziest thing about this current tea party shit is that we've got red neck construction workers and truckers who make like 25k a year showing up to help protect the wealth of the rich. It's nuts yo!

there is nothing crazy about it. You are putting them down for dreaming. That is why they protect the rich. They want to be "the rich." They dream of one day being rich. (though admittedly, they are stupid, because somewhere along the way they bought into the lie that being a sweet little christian that works hard will get you rich).

red necks have always been this way. They do not dream of lofty new governments or social revolutions to fix the problems around them. Their ideas on making life better are very simple, make more money. Get rich.

Its one of the reasons that the poor in the south supported rich slave owners. They wanted to be those rich slave owners, and by hell fire would they let another power redefine what it meant to be wealthy.

And it isn't that stupid that they think that way. More than any other time before do we live in a society that supports the idea that all joy can be obtained and all problems can fixed if you have enough money and buy the right things.

They are fighting for what they perceive to be happiness.