The Obama Presidency

[Bojack]

there is nothing crazy about it. You are putting them down for dreaming. That is why they protect the rich. They want to be "the rich." They dream of one day being rich. (though admittedly, they are stupid, because somewhere along the way they bought into the lie that being a sweet little christian that works hard will get you rich).

red necks have always been this way. They do not dream of lofty new governments or social revolutions to fix the problems around them. Their ideas on making life better are very simple, make more money. Get rich.

Its one of the reasons that the poor in the south supported rich slave owners. They wanted to be those rich slave owners, and by hell fire would they let another power redefine what it meant to be wealthy.

And it isn't that stupid that they think that way. More than any other time before do we live in a society that supports the idea that all joy can be obtained and all problems can fixed if you have enough money and buy the right things.

They are fighting for what they perceive to be happiness.

No, I put them down for fighting to protect the wealth of rich assholes all the while being poor as hell w/ little to no hope of ever winding up rich. Naivette is a bad thing in most opinions. It's the same thing as uninsured people who were bankrupted by hospital stays fighting socialized or a universal health care plans. It makes no sense because they're fighting to maintain ideals that do not readily help them.

The rich rarely show up to to politically protest things. Especially things that will adversely affect the 'non-rich'.

[Bojack]

they are.

No, they are not. Oppresive taxation tends to stagnate or decrease economic growth. Our current tax code will not prevent economic growth and creativity.

[Advocate]

it will.

[Razor Ramon]

Explain how.

[Advocate]

It's been explained by Yoshi numerous times.

[Bojack]

Explain how.

I don't quite know exactly what Yoshi thinks about Taxes (perhaps he can do a summary to help me understand) but...

He could be going off the assumption that any time the government takes a dollar out of your paycheck that it's a dollar that you cannot spend and therefore stimulate the economy. This is a rationale that all taxes are awful and bad and should not exist. This ignores the fact that the government takes most of that taxation and gives it back into the populace with public grants, roads bridge, fire dept. etc. etc.

We should be far more worried about wasteful government spending.

This notion also ignores that the US has had substantial economic growth under tax regimes far stricter than what we have at this time.

[Thief Silver]

Taxes aren't the problem right now, fear of increase of taxes from the recent bailouts I thought was causing the problems.

Yoshi has said several times to make sure you're paying the govt back at the end of the year because you can spend that money, but I've never heard him say paying taxes is bad (He just doesn't want increases caused by govt Bailouts.)

[icarusfall]

I'm all for higher taxes.

[Gooch]

You don't raise taxes during a depression/recession. Only a complete fool would propose such a measure while at the same time advocating that we borrow and spend our way out of this mess. Thankfully, no one on this planet would be such an eggregious fool to run on such a platform.

[TODE]

The Independent has a list of 100 ways Obama is reshaping America.