The Obama Presidency

[Fe 26]

Yeah, didn't they trick that dude out of his inheritance by putting sheep skin on his hand?

[Joust Williams]

Welp.

[Yoshi]

Oddly, I just read an article about that earlier today.

Other than needing an excuse, I don't see how that's different than a place like Curves or any number of black or women's colleges.

The government is way too involved in business in both directions. There are way too many rules, and they sure as hell shouldn't be bailing any out either.

edit: I guess the reverse is true as well that business is way too involved in government, though the ridiculous amount of regulation is part of the cause of that and the related lobbyist mess.

[Diff-chan]

Telling people to keep their business open and welcome to all and to leave non-commerce stuff back at home is hardly the government butting in to where it doesn't belong. It is the government taking necessary steps to keep commerce and economic opportunity available to all citizens.

We tried to let private actors run shop their own way, we got Jim Crow and powerful whites using the economy to maintain control and stifle economic opportunity for minorities. Evil shit.

So which religions are ok and which aren't? My religion doesn't like black people

We all know how conservatives feel about law based on Islam, so I am sure their reaction would be quite different were Hobby Lobby run by Muslims.

This is not about religious freedom, it is about a Christian majority imposing its will. Pretty much the opposite of what the First Amendment was intended for.

[Calliander]

Agreed. Notice that I've never said I agreed with it, only that it exists.

Then why not fight against it? Does it need to be written anywhere that a for-profit organization should be secular, even if the owners have deeply religious views? How is that not common sense? If that kind of thing needs to be written down as a law or in the Constitution, how come it wasn't a big deal until this loophole was worked out?

We all know how conservatives feel about law based on Islam, so I am sure their reaction would be quite different were Hobby Lobby run by Muslims.

While I normally hate conjecture, this is one of those things that is correlated by them passing unnecessary anti-Sharia laws. I won't be surprised if a business being run by a Muslim pops into the news because the owner took something out of the insurance plan or something, and if something like that does happen I will also not be surprised if the response is quite similar to the one given by women at this ruling.

This is not about religious freedom, it is about a Christian majority imposing its will.

That's bad enough but the even more bothersome thing for me is the calculated manipulation of these phrases like "religious freedom" and such. I can see right through it and while I'm no fan of abortion I'd rather just tackle the thing head on instead of these duplicitous loopholes.

[James]

And apparently those rights include having religious beliefs, so what was your point again?

My point is that the nature of religious beliefs make it impossible for a non-religious corporate entity to hold them, and the Supreme Court is wrong to think otherwise. Corporations are not people.

You keep saying something that's as unbelievable as the earth being flat, and keep expecting me to prove it's round. You're the one bringing the crazy, you need to provide proof that the things you say that look crazy actually aren't.

James

[A Robot Bit Me]

Silver lining: nobody can ever, ever use the phrase "war on Christianity" ever again. Ever.

[YellerDog]

Are you kidding? They'll be using it MORE now.

[A Robot Bit Me]

No, it's over. It's all over now.

[GohanX]

Oddly, I just read an article about that earlier today.

James

I would really love to hear someone explain how a religion (supposedly) based on love and forgiveness can be used as a reason to hate black people. I've read that book, that chapter was missing from my copy.