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Thread: The Obama Presidency

  1. I dunno, I think Gooch is my hero.

  2. Irrigation is how you move a third world country to the first.

    It really is that simple.
    Boo, Hiss.

  3. #4373
    its not quite that simple.

    read blood, germs and steel
    Last edited by Fe 26; 09 Aug 2010 at 12:42 AM.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Rumpy View Post
    I don't know, we haven't seen this kind of nimble question evading since Biff got the boot.
    You don't know how to read nor do you apparently know what a run rate is.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by icarusfall View Post
    Irrigation is how you move a third world country to the first.

    It really is that simple.
    Sure, just look at the Aral Sea.

  6. The Aral sea is an example of the worst planning going - not of irrigation being the downfall of nature.
    Boo, Hiss.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Gooch View Post
    Michael Moore is an idiot. And I respect aspects about Ron Paul but he is too blinded by his Austrian beliefs (though there are many aspects of the Hayek/von Mises/Rothbard school that I do agree with). He is a man whose voice is needed in governemnt to diversify our perspectives but he should never hold the Presidency. Free markets have always and will always be influenced and shaped by fiscal policy, by politics, by governments. They have to be because there are so many different people, ideologies, cultural and religious influences that contrast so starkly coordination of what people advocate in terms of pure free market forces in any other form would be near impossible. Free markets in the closest to realizable form could not exist without political cooperation and coordination. Without the latter, we would revert back to the days of imperialism and mercantilism and even more severe nationlistic and protectionist policies, all of which are anti-free market. Post-WWII the open door policy negotiated by the U.S. govt and governemnts of Europe, Japan, and developing and emerging markets opened up our markets, our consumer base to theirs. At that point the U.S. began to convert to a more trade deficit nation (the trade balance itself is poorly understood by politicians and citizens alike). Our consumption allowed those nations to rebuild themselves and prosper, and the continuation of this open door has led to a new world order based on variable shares in the global economy, one in which market driven adjustments only possible by the infrastructure built through political coordination are made to address imbalances, one in which disputes are negotiated via organizations such as the WTO and NATO, disputes that are settled politically rather than militarily. These free markets have brought a pause to the string of wars, wars that now really only involve non-WTO, non-NATO nations versus those within those organizations.
    Ron Paul wants to go back to the morals that founded the country. Maybe to the extreme a little too much for many, but he's open about his policies and stands by them with his voting record. Not that many politicians can make that same claim. Lobbying doesn't need to be thrown out IMO. It needs to be made public. Industry having a platform to voice opinion and set policy is not a bad idea in theory. The execution of back-room deals, mass campaign contributions (read: bribes) and so forth that make corporate voice louder than individual voice is cracking the foundation of the US.
    Quote Originally Posted by rezo
    Once, a gang of fat girls threatened to beat me up for not cottoning to their advances. As they explained it to me: "guys can usually beat up girls, but we are all fat, and there are a lot of us."

  8. #4378
    Quote Originally Posted by Diff-chan View Post
    You're calling Obama an idiot but you are the one bringing up moronic Laffer curve bullshit in this thread. Why don't we just drop the tax rate to 1% and after the economy grows by 2000% it will all work out? Because that's the logical conclusion of the shit you're peddling.... of course that's not reality, which is the whole problem.
    How is going to extremes a natural conclusion? The sad fact of the matter is that we have far too many career politicians on both sides of the aisle who don't know a damn thing about anything but growing their lobbyist kickbacks. When someone's whole resume is various degrees, maybe some legal crookedness, and holding public office, they have no business being in charge of anything. And Obama is an absolute poster child for that lack of real world exposure.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Yoshi View Post
    How is going to extremes a natural conclusion? The sad fact of the matter is that we have far too many career politicians on both sides of the aisle who don't know a damn thing about anything but growing their lobbyist kickbacks. When someone's whole resume is various degrees, maybe some legal crookedness, and holding public office, they have no business being in charge of anything. And Obama is an absolute poster child for that lack of real world exposure.
    You voted for Bush.

  10. #4380
    Correct. And I would again over The "new" McCain or Obama... but not Romney.

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