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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Fe 26 View Post
    because people have to be 100% free to produce art.
    To produce good art they do

  2. #4842
    there is so much good music born from oppression, I just don't even...I don't know.

    Dave, you're fucking stupid.

  3. Ok, the most talented singer/songwriter is in the world is in China RIGHT NOW.

    He writes a great song about how he is oppressed.

    How does the world find out about this song? What happens to him when/if the world does find out about it?

  4. #4844
    oh, probably about the same way people found out about the blues

    The chiense artist will play for locals. It will impact the locals and others will copy him. It will become a part of that town's culture. But for the most part, no one outside of the area will know about him.
    Eventually, the grip of control will loosen a little bit. The original man will probably be dead by the, but his music will have lived on.
    Finally, the control will have loosened enough that the music will get recorded and distributed. China might even take pride in this music as being special to china.
    Artsy fags in the US, UE, and the UK will import this music and and let it influence their own music
    Fans of this new music will wonder where the influences came from. They will research and finally find out where it came from.
    The second and third generation of people who produced this kind of music in China will receive most of the credit while the founders are long forgotten.

    etc. etc.

  5. StriderKyo? Your thoughts?

    EDIT: Let me just add in here how IP is fucking retarded and no song critical of the government would ever enter the nations psyche in the way he described without some sort of cultural revolution.
    Last edited by dave is ok; 25 Oct 2010 at 04:56 PM.

  6. #4846
    Quote Originally Posted by Bojack View Post
    Much better than being a conservative toy doll. Cuz then it would be "Fuck the poor", "tax cut the rich" etc.... and turn a blind eye to the shit other countries do with better resuts, the rampant and obvious racism in the GOP and the loads of fucked up shit rich peeps do (on both sides of the isle, rich Dems are oft just as fucked up as rich Pubs).
    You just proved my point.

  7. #4847
    Quote Originally Posted by dave is ok View Post
    StriderKyo? Your thoughts?

    EDIT: Let me just add in here how IP is fucking retarded and no song critical of the government would ever enter the nations psyche in the way he described without some sort of cultural revolution.
    because when you said art, you clearly meant "song critical of the government"

    how could I have been so ignorant

  8. #4848
    Quote Originally Posted by dave is ok View Post
    lol @ artists and whatnot coming from China.

    They still need a worker revolution and overthrow of the regime before that shit happens.
    so, I was the only one who read this and thought "art" in the general sense, and not like, 500 Chinese hippies cursing the Chinese man?

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Fe 26 View Post
    because people have to be 100% free to produce art.
    Protip: Nobody is 100% free.
    Quote Originally Posted by C.S. Lewis
    Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by dave is ok View Post
    Ok, the most talented singer/songwriter is in the world is in China RIGHT NOW.

    He writes a great song about how he is oppressed.

    How does the world find out about this song? What happens to him when/if the world does find out about it?
    China isn't quite a totalitarian thought-control state anymore post-Mao. They had an avant garde movement in the 80s & 90s, and there's a pretty remarkable genre of writing called scar literature written by intellectuals who were purged/exiled during the cultural revolution. You can criticize the government as long as you're careful about it.

    That said, you're right in that there are limits. Gao Xingjian won the Nobel Prize for literature for Soul Mountain, but he had to move to France to make it happen. Drove the Chinese government up the wall, he can probably never go back. His followup, One Man's Bible, is full of paranoia about the Chinese government tracking him.
    -Kyo

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