The Obama Presidency

[Advocate]

Here's the full bill all 1990 pages.

Read it.

[Joust Williams]

nah

[Drewbacca]

lol just 1 week in power and Republicans are scheduling a vote to repeal healthcare reform. Wattup death panels?

There are death panels in the health care reform bill. They are just done much sneakier.

As someone who HAS universal healthcare (sort of) I can tell you that there are pros and cons. It is not all roses. I still pay for a good chunk of my drugs. Not as much as you, but they are not given away like candy at all. It's heavily stifled and regulated. And non essential medicines? Forget about that. I had to buy antibiotics for my grandma last year that were 90 dollars for a months subscription. And making physicians and professionals making decisions on who gets what treatment happen. It's a fact of running the business and keeping balance. The issue? A lot of the current health form bill indentures the medical establishment and by the forced, mandatory nature of the opt in the people as well. The only REAL solution to healthcare is a publically transparent NOT-FOR-PROFIT company. That's it. Anything else means the spreadsheets need to be black or else alarm bells sound. Not for profit is the only way people are going to work for the betterment of the patient and not the spreadsheet (and by association the companies/suppliers producing the products they need).

[Andrew]

There is absolutely nothing unconstitutional about the federal government mandating the ownership of health insurance. Nothing whatsoever.

[Error]

There is if you consider it a power that the government was not granted with the writing of the constitution.

[Fe 26]

Not for profit is the only way people are going to work for the betterment of the patient and not the spreadsheet (and by association the companies/suppliers producing the products they need).

1) in the US, nonprofits and charities are still ran like businesses. Hell, you can make pretty good money at the top of a nonprofit.
2) We've been over this before but not everyone that gives care is a greedy old dick bag. Mississippi wouldn't even have doctors in non major cities if everyone was in it for the money. You'd have to drive to Memphis, Tupelo, and Jackson for anything. 67% of my Dad's patients are Medicare and Medicaid patients. If he was in it for the money, he'd left the state a long time ago.

[Gooch]

President Barack Obama is in what appears to be the final stages of choosing a new White House Chief of Staff from among the following candidates, in approximate descending order of likelihood, according to a very highly placed administration source: Acting Chief of Staff Pete Rouse, former Clinton Commerce Secretary Bill Daley, former South Dakota Sen. Tom Daschle and -- a dark horse candidate -- Agriculture Secretary and former Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack.

Speculation has focused on Daley, a banker and brother of the outgoing mayor of Chicago. He is the favorite of former chief of staff Rahm Emanuel, now running for Chicago mayor. Daley and Emanuel have been proteges for years. Just as important, perhaps, Daley is very close to Vice President Joe Biden. Daley was a key advisor and supporter in Biden's first presidential campaign in 1988.

Just what we need, another banker and former member of the Clinton Administration, who helped lead us here where we are today. Maybe I was too optimistic that Barry got it, maybe he is as clueless as his actions make him appear domestically.

Dems, GOP, TP all are sucking it big time.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_804400.html

[Drewbacca]

1) in the US, nonprofits and charities are still ran like businesses. Hell, you can make pretty good money at the top of a nonprofit.
2) We've been over this before but not everyone that gives care is a greedy old dick bag. Mississippi wouldn't even have doctors in non major cities if everyone was in it for the money. You'd have to drive to Memphis, Tupelo, and Jackson for anything. 67% of my Dad's patients are Medicare and Medicaid patients. If he was in it for the money, he'd left the state a long time ago.

I won't even get in to the fact that your dad not doing it for the money is moot. Because the pharmaceuticals are and in spite of your dads amazing altruism he is indentured to them because of it.

Charities have to have a clear legal document called a trust or a constitution that determines what it can and cannot take and what it's goal are. So if CEO up top is taking more than his trusted salary everyone can know and pursue it. Making money is not evil, but at least in an NPO the determination isn't to run for-profit. If an operation costs 2000 and you're at a surplus then there is no hesitation to do it. And in an NPO if you don't have the money? You're backed by a foundation to cover the burden the loan creates (whereas in a private / for-profit organization they have to lend from the bank and pay it back, offsetting the debt but not absolving it). Everything is in place to help the doctor or physician to simply focus on better patient care (with the backing of management up top). Sounds like something your dad would love because it's in-line with his morals. According to US law to even be considered for the tax-exempt properties of a charitable NPO (which healthcare would not really be anyway) you have to fit the following criteria:

1. Relief of the poor, the distressed, or the underprivileged,
2. Advancement of religion,
3. Advancement of education or science,
4. Erection or maintenance of public buildings, monuments, or works,
5. Lessening the burdens of government,
6. Lessening of neighborhood tensions,
7. Elimination of prejudice and discrimination,
8. Defense of human and civil rights secured by law, and
9. Combating community deterioration and juvenile delinquency.

Healthcare isn't really a charity because it's so ingratiated in to the lives of every day people. So I'm sure it's breaks would be even greater than a charity once established. To start NPO's would still leave some people out in the lurch. But as time progresses and their buying power in the market increases, and their costs go down, and the number procedures they undertake goes down healthcare all over will be much more affordable. This is a fair market way to keep liberty and accomplish the goal. But it's not quick or easy.

Way more accountability and transparency in what's going on.

[Fe 26]

I won't even get in to the fact that your dad not doing it for the money is moot. Because the pharmaceuticals are and in spite of your dads amazing altruism he is indentured to them because of it.

Then change the pharmaceutical industry.

You generalize the whole system and everyone in it, and then point to one specific part of it as the root cause of high cost.

[Drewbacca]

The cause as it effects and pertains to medical care, specifically. Because, you know, that's what was being chatted 'bout old buddy. More buying power = lower price negotiation (or resources to source alternate businesses to produce (or maybe even create new drug manufacturers! since healthcare is so big it would have the clout to do that eventually)