Reply With QuoteYou do realize China owns a significant amount of our country.Originally Posted by Gohron
Also there's like a billion of em.
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LOL WHAT?!
Jesus fucking christ.
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You do realize China owns a significant amount of our country.
Also there's like a billion of em.
What planet are you living on?
You sir, are a hideous hermaphroditical character which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman.
There are reasons. Massive Reasons. we haven't delt with North Korea. Bush, however, is a pussy for avoiding it for so long and instead attacking a nation with a lesser army.
Clinton avoided it too, however he also didn't weaken our army through nation building.
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China wouldn't risk economic failure just to kick the US out of N. Korea (which is all the war would be about anyway). It wouldn't be as if the two countries were at war with each other, just backing two different sides in another war. Our forces would clash, but it would be purely a military showing and not have any of the embargoes of a "real" war.
China would likely send in police forces that would quickly be shattered. The only hope the Chinese military would have would be to make the US hurt enough to say "fuck North Korea" like they did in the 1950's. We've all seen Iraq and Afghanistan, but I think the standard American forgets just how devastating the conventional might of the US military is. Since WWII, the Soviet Union was the only country/grouping of countries that would have even stood a chance in an all out war.
Before everyone is like "well, there's lot of Chinese....duh!!!", read up on all the elements of both the Chinese military and the US military and compare figures as to total number of different types of boats, tanks, aircraft, etc and only then do you reserve the right to continue this argument with me.
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Additional note: And before we go any further, there is no reason at all to believe that China would be involved against the United States in a conflict in Korea. It's not 1949 anymore.
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Duh there's a billion of em, and yes we have the superior military. We could bomb the shit out of them and they could try and catch up to us and fail miserably. I know this. What you are not acknowledging is that...
1. We are currently occupying two countries and the vast majority of our ground forces are stretched very, very, thin.
2. China is Nuclear. Whether or not they would risk it doesn't matter. You have to completely change what you are and aren't willing to do to a nation that is nuclear when it comes to war. Carpet bomb a nuclear capable nation into submission and wait for the sky to brighten.
3. This isn't Iraq or Afghanistan. This would be an actual army. Even North Korea would be an actual army. Our strategy would be the same, and under normal circumstances we'd wipe the floor with them as well man but this wouldn't be normal circumstances.
4. You're honestly stating that another Vietnam situation would last 3 - 4 days, and wouldn't end with us occupying them? That'd be three nations we'd be rebuilding now.
You are being awful specific about exactly how you think this would play out. It's nice you feel that way, but I think it's unrealistic to talk about this like you're that mysterious book from "Signs" that seems to know how the aliens would attack us.
I agree with this, though they did tell Bush 2 to stay the fuck away from N Korea at one point during his administration.
***Edit. Let me change that to I could have sworn they did, though I am failing to find an article about it. Maybe it was some misinformed pundit I heard it from a few years ago.
Last edited by youandwhosearmy; 13 Mar 2009 at 04:03 PM.
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Fuck Iraq in this case, we're leaving anyway. Defeating China regardless would not require a large amount of troops (despite the size of their deployable military). Superior US air survellience and long range ground capabilities as well as a highly advanced Air Force would negate any potential numbers difference.
North Korea wouldn't give the Chinese a reason to use strategic nuclear arms against a country it could hurt with nukes and receive total devestation in return. The Chinese are not capable of destroying large amounts of another country with their present missile capabilities. Also, if fear of a potential nuclear strike was present, the US would have the option of launching its own nuke against an unpopulated area of China and completely take out the Chinese ability to initiate strategic nuclear war.
How would it not be normal circumstances? It would be two countries throwing their weight in a war that didn't belong to them. A war with another country's army would be like the US war with Iraq in 1991, over quick and totally. China knows how their military would fare against the US in an open conflict, there's no way they'd go into a war over Korea just to defend a pure Communist state that the Chinese don't even like.
In the event the war did spill over into something larger and did result in economic shifts, then yes, it could be very bad. It's pretty likely how a war like this would end up though and also I get back to the point of: CHINA IS NOT GOING TO GO TO WAR WITH THE US OVER KOREA!
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I missed this one before...
I was merely discussing the warfare aspect of it, not the aftermath.
It really wouldn't be a concern to the US. If North Korea attempted an invasion of South Korea there would be one of two results.
1. North Korea is defeated and annexed by South Korea, this eventually leads to a diminished US force in the area altogether as the threat of a North Korean invasion will be gone.
2. The US and South Korean joint forces quickly repel a North Korean invasion and tell North Korea to "fuck off". This would probably be the most unlikely of the two as I doubt the US and South Korea would pass up the chance to rid the world of the North Korean regime.
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