The Obama Presidency

**Fe 26** · 16 Mar 2009, 01:13 PM

maybe, but it isn't like what he is saying is new. It has been said by big wig market and economic speculators before. Its been stated several times that the choices are for the government to do nothing and the pain to the economy would be deep and short, or let the government take a hand in it and it be long and mild (relatively).

oh right, this is TNL where we tell opinions we don't like to shut up or bring up something stupid they did to discredit them. What fine political examples we all are. We should all run for office.

**Gohron** · 16 Mar 2009, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by YellerDog

Noooo I think you actually were all "survival of the fittest bareknuckle deer wrestling!" and stuff. Well come on Jacques, which is it?

A combination of the two and an excessive amount of alcohol.

**YellerDog** · 16 Mar 2009, 01:15 PM

I can accept that answer!

**Razor Ramon** · 16 Mar 2009, 01:18 PM

The problem with leaving the market to those who contribute to it is it leaves room for exploitation. We're seeing that now. I was a big believer in letting the market make its own rules when I was younger but that would lead to discrimination, abuse, and oppression in the workplace. Putting safeguards in place lets the market still live independently but with a better set of guidelines.

Seriously, it's not that hard. Those opposing regulation are going to be upset only because it will make exploitation much harder.

**Gohron** · 16 Mar 2009, 01:24 PM

Don't get me wrong, I'm not opposed to certain market regulation. The United States isn't a complete free-market system and pure Capitalism tends to gravitate towards pure evil so regulations aren't so bad. What's bad is throwing a trillion dollars of tax-payer money out like it's a friend loaning his buddy $20 (ok, maybe not that bad) without even taking the time to plan things out is what has gotten me upset. The government just poured out an extreme amount of money and they'll probably continue to do so.

**Fe 26** · 16 Mar 2009, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Razor Ramon

Seriously, it's not that hard. Those opposing regulation are going to be upset only because it will make exploitation much harder.

it will not make it harder. It will just make it different.

**Mr-K** · 16 Mar 2009, 01:26 PM

But child labor was so cheap and effective.

**Yoshi** · 16 Mar 2009, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Razor Ramon

The problem with leaving the market to those who contribute to it is it leaves room for exploitation. We're seeing that now.

That's not entirely true. A large part of what we are seeing now is a result of the Clinton administration and idiots like Barnie Frank strong arming banks into giving loans to burdens on society that had no business receiving them. The government can't force business into bad decisions and then claim a lack of regulation is what caused failure.

The people in this thread who finally admit Clinton was the root of this still don't get the whole picture. How does the government undo loans that never should have been made in the first place? They can stop new ones, but that's about it.