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  1. #1111
    Quote Originally Posted by haohmaru View Post
    My mom don't mess around with no lightweights.

    @ Rich - I think Shelter Pale is among DFH's poorest brews - along with Palo Alto.
    Like I said, it didn't have much going on and had no mouthfeel. But it tastes good, was easy to drink, and was pretty cheap. It's something I'd like to drink for a night out when the plan is getting drunk, not having a beer.

  2. What does no mouthfeel mean? It's not like saying something has no taste, it's like saying something has no consistency... it has to.

  3. #1113
    Quote Originally Posted by Frogacuda View Post
    What does no mouthfeel mean? It's not like saying something has no taste, it's like saying something has no consistency... it has to.
    Exactly what it sounds like. It feels like you're drinking water in your mouth.

    You may believe that mouthfeel has little to do with the sensations of flavor. Flavor, however, is the mind’s interpretation of aroma, taste and the sense of touch, also known as mouthfeel. Anyone who has an aversion to a particular food due to mouthfeel (raw oysters or jello are common examples) understands this association to flavor.

    Mouthfeel is the activation of your sense of touch as it relates to the body in beer, and the associated feel and texture of the liquid within your mouth and throat. This profile is caused by the residual proteins and dextrins in beer – the result of how much malt sugar has been converted into sugar. Proteins are unfermentable, so they are the primary contributor to mouthfeel. Hardness or softness of the water supply is also a contributing factor.

    Characteristics of mouthfeel are described within a portion of the Meilgaard Beer Flavor Wheel, developed by Morton Meilgaard in the 1970’s. The attributes of alkalinity (detergent) and mouthcoating (creaminess) apply to taste alone. Other attributes are associated with taste and odor:

    Metallic – a tinny or rusty characteristic, akin to sucking on nails or nickels.
    Astringent – the mouthpuckering attribute that draws your inner cheeks inward, toward your tongue.
    Powdery – a chalky or gritty feel.
    Carbonation – a characteristic associated with bubbles dancing on your tongue, a gassy feature, or a flat type of feel.
    Warming – an alcoholic or spicy attribute that fills your mouth and dissipates to the membranes lining your throat.
    Last edited by Rich; 04 Aug 2010 at 01:20 PM.

  4. But wouldn't that just be a watery mouthfeel? Again, I don't think it's something you can have or not have, it's just a facet you can describe. It's like saying something has no appearance.

  5. #1115
    Quote Originally Posted by Frogacuda View Post
    But wouldn't that just be a watery mouthfeel? Again, I don't think it's something you can have or not have, it's just a facet you can describe. It's like saying something has no appearance.
    Watery mouthfeel = little to no mouthfeel.

  6. I would argue that water has a mouthfeel like everything else. I think you're using the word wrong. It's more akin to "appearance", where everything has it and you just describe it, than "taste" which can (colloquially at least) be said to be absent.
    Last edited by Frogacuda; 04 Aug 2010 at 02:49 PM.

  7. #1117
    Quote Originally Posted by Frogacuda View Post
    I would argue that water has a mouthfeel like everything else. I think you're using the word wrong. It's more akin to "appearance", where everything has it and you just describe it, than "taste" which can (colloquially at least) be said to be absent.
    No, it's mouthfeel. How the hell can the way something feels in your mouth be described as appearance or taste?

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Rich View Post
    No, it's mouthfeel. How the hell can the way something feels in your mouth be described as appearance or taste?
    Read that again. I'm not saying it IS taste/appearance, I'm comparing the way the words are used.

    I know what mouthfeel is, but I'm saying, in the same way it's incoherent to say "This has no appearance" because you find the appearance uninteresting, it's also wrong to say "This has no mouthfeel." Everything has an appearance, and everything has a mouthfeel. Everything has a temperature. It's just one of those things.

    You're using it in the way you'd use taste; We can say something has "no taste". But I don't think you can use "mouthfeel" like that.

    Anyway, this is way too much explaining for a point that wasn't even interesting enough for me to bring up until you said it multiple times.
    Last edited by Frogacuda; 04 Aug 2010 at 04:08 PM.

  9. #1119
    Quote Originally Posted by Frogacuda View Post
    You're using it in the way you'd use taste; We can say something has "no taste".
    No you can't. Even water has taste. But at the same time, you'd say that water has no taste because of how little taste is actually has. Much the same way you'd say it has no mouthfeel. It's there, and then it's not, and it feels just like water when it's in your mouth, but has no lingering feel.

    The beer had the viscosity and thickness of water, or near to it, and little carbonation. This is like having no feel. It also makes it super easy to drink.
    Last edited by Rich; 04 Aug 2010 at 04:10 PM.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Rich View Post
    No you can't. Even water has taste.
    Right, which is why the first time I said that, I specified I meant colloquially, people talk that way. But you're the only person I've ever heard describe mouthfeel as absent, rather than just "thin," "watery," "light," or "flat." I don't think that's coherent usage of the term to say "no mouthfeel."

    It's like saying something has "no temperature" when you mean "room temperature." It's just not how we talk.
    Last edited by Frogacuda; 04 Aug 2010 at 04:15 PM.

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