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Thread: Supreme Court to Decide if Schools Should Actually Base Admissions on Merit

  1. Quote Originally Posted by Yoshi View Post
    Way to look up the wrong part of speech. Entitlement: the right to guaranteed benefits under a government program, as Social Security or unemployment compensation OR the state of being entitled, where "entitled" is to give (a person or thing) a title, right, or claim to something; furnish with grounds for laying claim. Notice that earning anything does not show up anywhere in any of these.

    And then you try to go off on a chicken and egg tangent. Education, or lack thereof, is not the root cause of the issue. It's called correlation, as opposed to causation.
    Way to go Yosh, good jorb missing the entire point of what I posted. You also basically re-stated what I said. I figured I'd go back to the root word rather than a conjugation of said word. Guess that simple logic leap escaped you. At the end of the day "entitlement" or the mentality of entitlement never worries about whether it's actually deserved. Some one is either entitled to something or not. Most of the time any entitlement is an earned entitlement. Some are just nice to get. It's not a dirty word like some political speech would have one believe, so there is no implication that an entitlement is not "earned" and should not be used the way GOPers like to use it.

    At any rate, since lack of education strongly correlates with crappy families........ shouldn't it be a nation wide goal to educate people instead of heaping so much blame on the parents and using said blame to absolve yourself (or the governing body) of any need to act? So some kids have shitty parents, just let the kid be fucked for life because he didn't have mom and dad around to help with homework or take to band practice or goad into college?
    Last edited by Bojack; 12 Mar 2012 at 01:04 PM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bojack View Post
    At any rate, since lack of education strongly correlates with crappy families........ shouldn't it be a nation wide goal to educate people instead of heaping so much blame on the parents and using said blame to absolve yourself (or the governing body) of any need to act? So some kids have shitty parents, just let the kid be fucked for life because he didn't have mom and dad around to help with homework or take to band practice or goad into college?
    No, we should determine the root cause and address that. Fixing something that happens to be correlated with something else is far from a guarantee of fixing the other item.

    Even if you were to fix the correlated factor, what are you proposing specifically? Sending kids to a college where they'll start out behind and then either fail or waste the professors' and other students' time? You have to focus on primary schools, and there is no AA there.
    Last edited by Yoshi; 12 Mar 2012 at 01:05 PM.

  3. Quote Originally Posted by Yoshi View Post
    No, we should determine the root cause and address that. Fixing something that happens to be correlated with something else is far from a guarantee of fixing the other item.

    Even if you were to fix the correlated factor, what are you proposing specifically? Sending kids to a college where they'll start out behind and then either fail or waste the professors' and other students' time? You have to focus on primary schools, and there is no AA there.
    There's no AA because everyone gets in already. There is no discrimination in K-12 excepting perhaps theoretical socioeconomic discrimination because schools in poor areas are generally much much shittier than schools in rich areas.

    There is no way to address the "root cause" as you see it because there's no real way to turn shitty parents into good one by any kind of force. If a kid comes from a shitty family, has good school, good counseling through life and positive role models somewhere in a reasonable and safe environment we can end the cycle. Basically, you and peeps with your mentality prefer to yell at the fire for burning instead of getting a bucket to put it out. Ideally yes, the fire never starts and parents act responsibly. Life unfortunately takes a lot of goal line defense. Paradigm shifting the way this country does things is needed and it starts with educated people. THEN we could do away with AA and THEN there wouldn't be "sending kids to college unprepared."


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  4. Quote Originally Posted by Yoshi View Post
    Ramon's comment is just a bullshit personal attack.
    Did you report it?

  5. He's being racist and he's deflecting. He really does hate anyone not white. It's just, I mean, he's not even that bad of a dude to talk to but that will just keep us at arm's length.

  6. #216
    Quote Originally Posted by Yoshi View Post
    No, we should determine the root cause and address that.
    The root cause is people being sacks of shit. Horrible parents passing horribleness to their children.

    Good luck fixing that.

    What are you going to do? Go into the home of every lazy stupid sack of crap in this country and take their kids away? Post a soldier in each home to pop them them in the back of the head every time they teach their kid something stupid?
    Last edited by Fe 26; 12 Mar 2012 at 02:59 PM.

  7. #217
    Quote Originally Posted by Bojack View Post
    There's no AA because everyone gets in already. There is no discrimination in K-12 excepting perhaps theoretical socioeconomic discrimination because schools in poor areas are generally much much shittier than schools in rich areas.

    There is no way to address the "root cause" as you see it because there's no real way to turn shitty parents into good one by any kind of force. If a kid comes from a shitty family, has good school, good counseling through life and positive role models somewhere in a reasonable and safe environment we can end the cycle. Basically, you and peeps with your mentality prefer to yell at the fire for burning instead of getting a bucket to put it out. Ideally yes, the fire never starts and parents act responsibly. Life unfortunately takes a lot of goal line defense. Paradigm shifting the way this country does things is needed and it starts with educated people. THEN we could do away with AA and THEN there wouldn't be "sending kids to college unprepared."
    You're assuming that the individual parents are the root cause. That may not be the case. What caused those parents to be bad? And don't say education, because this isn't a chicken and egg discussion.

  8. #218
    Quote Originally Posted by Razor Ramon View Post
    He's being racist and he's deflecting. He really does hate anyone not white. It's just, I mean, he's not even that bad of a dude to talk to but that will just keep us at arm's length.
    Will you please give up on this shit? I hate more white people than minorities. I'm an equal opportunity asshole.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Yoshi View Post
    You're assuming that the individual parents are the root cause. That may not be the case. What caused those parents to be bad? And don't say education, because this isn't a chicken and egg discussion.
    Who really gives a shit (in aggregate, obviously on a case by case basis it matters) why they're bad in the first place? The only thing that matters is correcting the issue. Ramping up education is likely the best course of action so that even if the parents are pieces of shit their kids have a chance to realize what's going on and not become part of a revolving door of assholes/failures through the generations. Nothing in any discussion I've ever seen you have ever gets close to anything but blaming the parents and adhering to some kind of idealist Randian notion that once people hit 18 the sum of their life has nothing to do with their starting point or surroundings and that it's a fools errand to try and change it.


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  10. Quote Originally Posted by Yoshi View Post
    I'm an equal opportunity asshole.
    This is what racists love to say to make it look like they're not racist when in reality they are.

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